From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id fee2d2cf for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 20:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4AE4794773; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 06:09:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7778693D71; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 06:08:57 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="IevOvGgD"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0357693D71; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 06:08:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f173.google.com (mail-qk1-f173.google.com [209.85.222.173]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8248393D59 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 06:08:55 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f173.google.com with SMTP id e187so4251818qkf.4 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 12:08:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9k5Umr7JlidhOfJvLyFRnYE0Rrvgnh9ki5kIcZuefJ8=; b=IevOvGgDpFynWLhAMHBmJ9bs3MUx/w0Dp34MyigohzB1KGs0Zf2JCghLDYZF37lOx5 r6CImwc2V6mim5W/VfgpP/SKKuGb6WFSE4wCF6icoWfNYjEL+ovr0zq1fO1AfpPfdqhu b7oXOVXyGQ9ssgaNOM+4RSU5KOiA1BNtEOLKI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9k5Umr7JlidhOfJvLyFRnYE0Rrvgnh9ki5kIcZuefJ8=; b=px0joNcMgLVYoLBDodOrH8BQzC53EMJBNjuZsH6l/36Apclq/4DIg/paU1o5gIurkw sL0QPGTbiov5Vmu4zwC2wVNrpZZhYD2f11DpAP6Zkd0GMurYweRgn4KWQuVKphoN8r5e UKzzPJ2SwwtbM0GmjI9yHLLECGfwa4n16IwOHIkgtGMGHZSh7X+9VZ92CGtXcRdlXX74 VxV7qaBX/mW7hR06QcJZt28BQdrMtx06TtfrAgv6rLDmuh2HjisQGiqi6AOMVfLYB7Iw NQvXYi80SxEQ9H9P6mv6f8K3GgJqeI8MGbCjjZkXfBdxDJwPah05k5nF6jBmlWB/tymu fjiQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUDStmZAEL1q8z6M+8sldlwDZdMV6MexrWAlnH1nR/+/Fs4YCq5 CJwhvDGXuXHJaP9WnYo8oWzifYKrw3QMHUduhqIcG0/2vr/DQw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwvbWVyp/hrXi1t148NU7XogtiNyZcDEeRdwV46r5qVQGqikTAvyWXi4UB8Q+0KjxcmJATwXWXysGMOKcSpXZc= X-Received: by 2002:a37:6346:: with SMTP id x67mr1227804qkb.476.1574366934374; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 12:08:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191121195327.0C30918C080@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20191121195327.0C30918C080@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> From: Clem Cole Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 15:08:28 -0500 Message-ID: To: Noel Chiappa Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000deb1380597e0ddac" Subject: Re: [TUHS] AOS and IBM/RT [Re: Amdahl UTS, AIX/370, AIX/ESA X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000deb1380597e0ddac Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 2:53 PM Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Arnold Robbins > > > The Bell Labs guys in some ways were too. > > And there's the famous? story about the Multics error messages in Latin, > courtesty of Bernie Greenberg. One actually appeared at a customer site > once, > whereupon hilarity ensued. > One of my favorite stories of the same vein was a masscomp story. We were chasing a rare event (as I recall it was when we first were debugging Multiprocessor stuff and it a lock order problem). But we could not get the customers to tell us about what was happening, since the system recovered quickly, but we might kill a process. We had done a few releases and make a few changes but we could never reproduce it. I never knew who it was but someone ??Jack Burness if I had to guess?? put out a patch with a couple of error messages in Klingon and dumped a bunch of information. Sure enough this was noticed, customer stopped, we got the needed data, as they reported the error. But it was a high visibility customer, so the president (Mr. Potatohead) got a phone call. Fossil (our boss) made us swear it would never happen again, but he defended us to the President. We found the bug ;-) --000000000000deb1380597e0ddac Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 2:53= PM Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury= .lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > From: Arnold Robbins

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > The Bell Labs guys in some ways were too.

And there's the famous? story about the Multics error messages in Latin= ,
courtesty of Bernie Greenberg. One actually appeared at a customer site onc= e,
whereupon hilarity ensued.
One of my favorite stor= ies of the same vein was a masscomp story.=C2=A0 =C2=A0We were = chasing a rare event (as I recall it was when we first were debugging Multi= processor stuff and it a lock order problem).=C2=A0 But we could not get th= e customers to tell us about what was happening, since the system recovered= quickly, but we might kill a process. We had done a few releases and make = a few changes but we could never reproduce it.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

I never knew who=C2=A0it was but someone=C2= =A0??Jack Burness if I had to guess?? put out a patch with a couple of erro= r messages in Klingon and dumped a bunch of information.=C2=A0 Sure enough = this was noticed, customer stopped, we got the needed data, as they reporte= d the error.=C2=A0 But it was a high visibility customer, so the president = (Mr. Potatohead) got a phone call.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Fossil (our boss) made us sw= ear it would never happen again, but he defended us to the President.=C2=A0= =C2=A0We found the bug ;-)=C2=A0
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