From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2161 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2022 13:34:49 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 5 Aug 2022 13:34:49 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF7040C78; Fri, 5 Aug 2022 23:34:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f48.google.com (mail-vs1-f48.google.com [209.85.217.48]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2C7B40125 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2022 23:34:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f48.google.com with SMTP id 125so2471669vsd.5 for ; Fri, 05 Aug 2022 06:34:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=thLgXXOuoZs1/g1dGKWg95ujlGOO2CjtFQyTn9pWINs=; b=VzktD5WzkZ0lfbZ3vEZwo8FQnRt/HGNply5jaXK4uQtB7X9DfrKiTmIWdQokw8naKW Vmv0Py3rkUX4K/p4yNF+gyS/EZAkQbkrCBsnpQTVhi29eod0L1kQiSve3zmrKCphj8VS Vrxblr7GeihCahxIin6mHs47LmlITPmTfyydg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=thLgXXOuoZs1/g1dGKWg95ujlGOO2CjtFQyTn9pWINs=; b=TN8Y0ak2smDge1Fbx8ct92klmJe17mNkN1rV4H/mRAm7OXJRKtzSwm1oNQhdZKowiX 2r63zL7iIWNrigDI9OO54ScKsdNJLDUP5kbzNSSkxzBWM/S7J2vaFJXdBNpTz31gyqtA KVR+hQbNBQY4oh1fLVQmDT/uJYDubePKWyIpodz23bEFHh8oLBWKZQY5TsG/GTYzsw9D CWICjvbmmQTxWDszMX+yN7rSfk00NmVL32paiDqDWfp2ntmjRSjFG6ozoXtYOT5mYxv+ II5bMcaDSAShnoeV4w32JnRQk+kD8N4MfusjX+W0TE+EjfE6j5BX6is1D6/3AgBLf7HN +QLw== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo1TDI23vfeNIP1Pt41v3rwkiKjfhwoG0EhIOLOCmfLRXoHuJMkJ y4YqDjP95g83xMEKL23L4RCB0XtK8jGfDP1Sgb/cDg3VFI1vVA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR7tYk51WwCdoLyisAGIoKalY0Red3LK9aWMnzAA6GCa6RK9JWf4jXGfcz3Xl8mxZ5r5n/Jn0pUcMwH7lAAqFQs= X-Received: by 2002:a67:d614:0:b0:382:dda6:5fc with SMTP id n20-20020a67d614000000b00382dda605fcmr2915333vsj.62.1659706411716; Fri, 05 Aug 2022 06:33:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6a4c75af-0fe4-1056-6421-2e473948c07b@jfloren.net> <566D98A2-B976-44A9-BD53-F10ECC7E24BC@iitbombay.org> <65dd4b96-d08d-610e-5fa7-d228f093b78d@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> <3e226172-b395-f5c1-df2c-b383024a08df@bitsavers.org> In-Reply-To: <3e226172-b395-f5c1-df2c-b383024a08df@bitsavers.org> From: Clem Cole Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 09:33:05 -0400 Message-ID: To: Al Kossow Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001a296d05e57e8338" Message-ID-Hash: 6JZWA4S23JB47MH7OZEFRODBUNXTVPLR X-Message-ID-Hash: 6JZWA4S23JB47MH7OZEFRODBUNXTVPLR X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Computer Old Farts Followers X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: The MGR window system and the Macintosh List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000001a296d05e57e8338 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This thread needs to move to COFF to continue - although my own story is 1/2 about BSD and the VAX. On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 10:15 PM Al Kossow wrote: > On 8/4/22 5:37 PM, Andrew Newman wrote: > > > There's a bunch of AED documentation online, including this... > > > > http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/aed/brochures/AED_767_Brochure_Jun82.pdf < > http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/aed/brochures/AED_767_Brochure_Jun82.pdf> > > I worked at AED before going to Apple, to stay sort of window related, th= e > last project I worked on at AED was > a VME and Qbus board set that was a complete color X terminal. > I had to chuckle when I read that. In the fall of '82 (I think), we got a Smalltalk VM from PARC at UCB. Dave Unger, Ken Keller, and I - plus some other folks in Patterson's systems seminar who's names I have since forgotten, wrote a VM in C for the VAX/BSD. We used an AED512 and Keller's graphics library from his thesis running over a 19.2 serial link as the output. About a month after we had it running, a couple of us got to visit PARC, and Peter Deutch showed us Smalltalk running on a Dorado. He ran his hand with the mouse across the screen opening and closing a bunch of windows randomly. We started laughing and Peter asked us what was so funny. We told him what he did would have taken at least 5 minutes to redisplay on BSD/VAX version. Clem =E1=90=A7 --0000000000001a296d05e57e8338 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This thread needs to move to COFF to c= ontinue - although my own story is 1/2 about BSD and the VAX.
On Thu, = Aug 4, 2022 at 10:15 PM Al Kossow <= aek@bitsavers.org> wrote:
On 8/4/22 5:37 PM, Andrew Newman wrote:

> There's a bunch of AED documentation online, including this...
>
> ht= tp://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/aed/brochures/AED_767_Brochure_Jun82.pdf <= ;http:/= /www.bitsavers.org/pdf/aed/brochures/AED_767_Brochure_Jun82.pdf>

I worked at AED before going to Apple, to stay sort of window related, the = last project I worked on at AED was
a VME and Qbus board set that was a complete color X terminal.
I had to chuckle when I read that.=C2= =A0 In the fall of '82 (I think), we got a Smalltalk VM from PARC at UC= B.=C2=A0 Dave Unger, Ken Keller, and I - plus some other=C2=A0folks in Patt= erson's systems seminar who's names I have since forgotten, wrote a= VM in C for the VAX/BSD.=C2=A0 We used an AED512 and Keller's graphics= library from his thesis running over a 19.2 serial link as the output.=C2= =A0 About a month after we had it running, a couple of us got to visit PARC= , and Peter Deutch showed us Smalltalk running on a Dorado.=C2=A0 He ran hi= s hand with the mouse across the screen opening and closing a bunch of wind= ows randomly.=C2=A0 =C2=A0We started laughing and Peter asked us what was s= o funny.=C2=A0 We told him what he did would have taken at least 5 minutes = to redisplay on BSD/VAX version.

Clem
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