From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id fd6fb3ad for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 14:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6214D9B7E5; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 00:29:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B189B57F; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 00:28:50 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="RjJ65Mwk"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C3E589B553; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 00:28:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f179.google.com (mail-qt1-f179.google.com [209.85.160.179]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F4549B552 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 00:28:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f179.google.com with SMTP id t20so9315874qtr.10 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 07:28:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=pDx9AGWjfRGna6mS7+mDBK4YSYYBBgAZCCghFTnCWhw=; b=RjJ65Mwk968z7RBDR1t6JPbVPRGrMU6RPxVHPjyV0DEwHfMbU1v4SPr+eehOIoxk5i t8EnO/IBrI+r4/3cbb2+4rxi5GiSvqa6+xK9XSnuF4PJ3LNJymmftqjWsiHstNY3XmY9 t5/YHuUw9eO7AIwGoC62c7LGEKoQKafZlhV9M= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=pDx9AGWjfRGna6mS7+mDBK4YSYYBBgAZCCghFTnCWhw=; b=ie31c+sTL0lMtEbPHxv+UzsZOj+9oEsowuO5/sIOwmTceqwnc154GDcPqI0dLdLa1/ OMfHUEmDIim5latMGNo/YjwMHK7b1aWsLR/MF2165HqL4+BKbtVRPLetVmS1bLHem3P4 hM/e8kol18DDj3vLqyd6twsqL+0oMPc8uHYjuX2vlxlzT2BSXGDdKmc9H6knFLyMf4Hz eyGMusQO6xFa1CAKb4GkXbL8jBr2Tt+IGtBeIkVUr5JEEdMxraENrblf80qQ9iPuDE4K Az6aAjwwbCF9cZnTJcUl/GGh1Lw7U/HKAuF1W3sBbzgFoLds648490unlcLZgkpyiq34 lefA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUPkX4sHnwMLONMOBVZVpipkgHRpyZLkJIl/dKfK67uj7kr9UO8 iywAmZaSeGi9Qaju7lHRMeDQJQ750o6IZv1CJl7ktg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxTn14A5bFl2VsYlyXgauIgWyqLrFA6ULO/0WTZCcYAt0+M9caou+V18C99Ng9VTzxnEpN6q/YlHMOyDyJblss= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:c3c4:: with SMTP id p4mr10211016qvi.178.1571408925273; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 07:28:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191017122105.0c8b07bf@asrock> <20191017204438.GA1224@minnie.tuhs.org> <7wwod2o617.fsf_-_@junk.nocrew.org> In-Reply-To: <7wwod2o617.fsf_-_@junk.nocrew.org> From: Clem Cole Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 09:28:34 -0500 Message-ID: To: Lars Brinkhoff Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c9c449059530261e" Subject: Re: [TUHS] File system salvager, "salv" X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000c9c449059530261e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" +1 On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 2:41 AM Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > Warren Toomey wrote: > > 11-56-91.pdf user-mode programs: pd, psych, rm, rn, roff, salv, sh > > My attention is drawn to "salv". > > Clem Cole wrote in 2016: > > > The original FS tools for UNIX icheck/dcheck/ncheck were very crude. > > TSS and MTS (used a similar/same FS format) and and had a similar > > program in the key of fsck that Ted was familiar (as did a number of > > DEC systems for that matter). Ted wrote the original version of > > premordial fsck for v6 at UMich (maybe v5 - Joy probably would know > > what the version of UNIX was there then). Ted took "pre-fsck" to Bell > > Lab the summer between Mich and CMU. [...] > > https://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/TUHS/Mail_list/2016-April.txt > > There are these V2 and V3 man pages. > https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/Dennis_v2/v2man.pdf > https://www.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V3/man/man8/salv.8 > > I see a V3 man page for dcheck, but nothing for icheck until V6. > > So it appears before fsck, and before icheck etc, there was salv, the > file system salvager tool. Some quick searching reveals that CTSS, > Multics, and ITS all also used the term salv and/or salvager for the > corresponding program, so there's ample precedent. > -- Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual --000000000000c9c449059530261e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 2:41 AM Lars Br= inkhoff <lars@nocrew.org> wrot= e:
Warren Toomey wrote:
> 11-56-91.pdf=C2=A0 user-mode programs: pd, psych, rm, rn, roff, salv, = sh

My attention is drawn to "salv".

Clem Cole wrote in 2016:

> The original FS tools for UNIX icheck/dcheck/ncheck were very crude. > TSS and MTS (used a similar/same FS format) and and had a similar
> program in the key of fsck that Ted was familiar (as did a number of > DEC systems for that matter).=C2=A0 Ted wrote the original version of<= br> > premordial fsck for v6 at UMich (maybe v5 - Joy probably would know > what the version of UNIX was there then).=C2=A0 Ted took "pre-fsc= k" to Bell
> Lab the summer between Mich and CMU. [...]

https://minnie.tuhs.org/A= rchive/Documentation/TUHS/Mail_list/2016-April.txt

There are these V2 and V3 man pages.
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/= Distributions/Research/Dennis_v2/v2man.pdf
https://www.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl= ?file=3DV3/man/man8/salv.8

I see a V3 man page for dcheck, but nothing for icheck until V6.

So it appears before fsck, and before icheck etc, there was salv, the
file system salvager tool.=C2=A0 Some quick searching reveals that CTSS, Multics, and ITS all also used the term salv and/or salvager for the
corresponding program, so there's ample precedent.
--
Sent from a handheld expect more typos t= han usual
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