From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b3931917 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 02:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 056D1A1CE5; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:03:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2BFA1A1E; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:03:33 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b=e8Di8wnc; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 98ECFA1A1E; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:03:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-it0-f44.google.com (mail-it0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 075BBA19FC for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:03:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-it0-f44.google.com with SMTP id h23-v6so6492252ita.5 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 19:03:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=6dvqN1C8AvMQqp/57vWzT6gsMp48bUrAdncPVaDj8OU=; b=e8Di8wnc2gZqEyPsyaLiht0XmpG5weOB8IflMqsDAopZJGx9Cfnk+NL4V2Ad42rD3h FmAb2jsBOElZjmEgxYWHzDIIajzqeS1CTxmQQIidkx8SXfsS5kg0mu05M2cZZ/WGNqlA SAWLmJbqFU5evcrQQ/ZgWUNtRbaFe9ePE7Lq4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6dvqN1C8AvMQqp/57vWzT6gsMp48bUrAdncPVaDj8OU=; b=N0SkVJU5v/5yFFI9tdqFFbHbXiioPEgciKdLpNqWIElkeNV616cBXYxOf0MJm2j9NS q0Nv4OZQdf0Y9o51bqE/SSeilWgUgJdZtgx4tQVb01eyDGW1x2+DZmqc94PawVAH0qTT CH0zqoHI9ecry4fEz4EnwsX/Ljw9bFkqgEiU/1jQttncENo6JrUnydECp9kmrpfW8aaQ /3Y90T8dhduf6nNKjLL0yBxq55CHTWgpwF0swaPpplUB/HXFHnAx4JQpXrPVuXUUmiEB WTEzNrsxPz5FgbMmV64/RuPIbMbNQlALnKqib65TD2OaDz1qQL+zEw0zbq1TPMkgueCk IsHQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51BRWHUtAnV/b16YnuWCeFl8HxeAxMe1AoIGkAjH31N8qTuNmqTj M2xZgCn1vYpTGdkJFuQK1oXcnJJcmPuP3axi5KuIeQ79KY4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZrBUKlr2+lZmxYISIqPwj6ESBAOYssGNqy4rj5Y/qtJzZzd3RtnIOFoRo3ouuNl7JaqMZZthFejgYazAw/Blg= X-Received: by 2002:a02:985:: with SMTP id 5-v6mr6181729jam.136.1535249010369; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 19:03:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180826003127.GA18905@minnie.tuhs.org> <69e611959cdd9902@orthanc.ca> In-Reply-To: <69e611959cdd9902@orthanc.ca> From: Clem Cole Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 22:03:04 -0400 Message-ID: To: Lyndon Nerenberg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e7bd0505744d03f8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000e7bd0505744d03f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 9:11 PM Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > Warren Toomey writes: > > Hi all, I've just heard that the Usenix board of directors do not want > > to explicitly celebrate the 50th anniversary of Unix. > > Why not?!? > Before I reply to the list, I also know some people on this list have a distaste for some of the USENIX folks. There were some problems in the past with at least one important employee. That has been corrected, but the 'institutional memory' was also some what sacrificed as people such as my self got a little burned out dealing with the issues. That said, they are good people and they have changed which is good. But they are primarily a more academic focused lot and as such, few of the people that understand the value (much less were there) are activity involved. That said, I made a proposal at the last BOD meeting in June that we do something 'special' at the next USENIX. I had a vetted the proposal with Warren as well as a with a number of previous BOD members, including a couple of past presidents. I thought it made a lot of sense as did others. Unfortunately, while it may be here, history for the sake of history is not all that interesting to them. So, the basic pitch is that until UNIX came about, OSses were all over the map and everything was a different. Except for UNIX nothing from those days really is left except maybe Fortran and that only for HPC. Yet, today in most days, you (computer person or mortal) can hardly not be using a UNIX system, from your cell phone, IoT devices, car, to search and Internet services. No other part of computing has had such an effect and been as pervasive and lastest. We need to celebrate how that happened and try to remember some of the important things and people that made it so. The boards response has been: *"**... agrees that we should acknowledge this milestone appropriately. After much discussion, they concluded that USENIX will do so throughout the course of its regularly scheduled and budgeted activities.'' *Basically they want to say something at opening session and maybe acknowledge a few people that come to ACT next summer, but nothing like what we talked about. I wanted to have a party at the History Museum in Seattle (ACT will be in Renton). The problem is that ACT no longer has a big party mid week, so they don't have an event for this to occur. Plus much of the board did a little bit of a huh? which in my translation is - "if it does not help us academically, tell me why we need to do this again?" BTW: One of the other thing that I socialized was how this community was always open and inviting to people regardless of sexual orientation, race, creed etc. There have been disagreements (which Larry can regale you on a few as I know he holds a certain people responsible for bad things, ushc as how the Linux community was handled). But I wanted to try to see if we could get some of the important women, not just the men (i.e. the Systers) as well as some of the folks from the LGBQ community that were a part. It's an interesting social history as well as technical one. My reply to the official email from Casey and Carolyn was: *"**I do think you should do something over and above. As I said, I know a lot of people are 'up' for it and what to do we be apart and keep asking what can they do/what is going to be done. There has been a bit of discussion on the TUHS mailing list. As I said, I've been in contract with Lou Katz, the first USENIX President, and Debbie S (who was an early President) and Andrew Hume (also ex-President). All have expressed interest in helping and think it would be a great idea to do something 'special' both to recognize but also because it should be fun."* I believe the BOD will support a BOF, but they are not going to fund bring people back or anything over and beyond or an external party (although I'm not opposed to asking a few people like Rich Adams who made $s with UNIX to help us fund something). So my comment to Warren was basically this thought: if we try to make sure people are there and we set something up, I know we can have BOF. But if we plan it and arrange it and maybe we hit bod@usenix.org with email we can do something. I've been looking for a good intro to the folks in Seattle, as I still think a party there would be the best - but we need permission and then we need to find a way to fund it. Clem --000000000000e7bd0505744d03f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 9:11 PM Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca> wrote:
Warren Toomey writes:
> Hi all, I've just heard that the Usenix board of directors do not = want
> to explicitly celebrate the 50th anniversary of Unix.

Why not?!?

Before I reply to the lis= t,=C2=A0I also know some peop= le on this list have a distaste for some of the USENIX folks.=C2=A0 There w= ere some problems in the past with at least one important employee.=C2=A0 = =C2=A0That has been corrected, but the 'institutional memory' was a= lso some what sacrificed as people such as my self got a little burned out = dealing with the issues.=C2=A0 =C2=A0That said, they are good people= and they have changed which is good.=C2=A0 =C2=A0But they are primarily a = more academic focused lot and as such, few of the people that understand th= e value (much less were there) are activity involved.

Tha= t said, I made a proposal at the last BOD meeting in June that we do someth= ing 'special' at the next USENIX.=C2=A0 I had a vetted the proposal= with Warren as well as a with a number of previous BOD members, including = a couple of past presidents.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I thought it made a lot of sense a= s did others.

Unfortunately, while it may be here, his= tory for the sake of history is not all that interesting to them.=C2=A0 So,= the basic pitch is that until UNIX came about, OSses were all over the map= and everything was a different.=C2=A0 Except for UNIX nothing from those d= ays really is left except maybe Fortran and that only for HPC.=C2=A0 Yet, t= oday in most days, you (computer person or mortal) can hardly not be using = a UNIX system, from your cell phone, IoT devices, car,=C2=A0 to search and = Internet services.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 No other part of computing has had such an = effect and been as pervasive and lastest.=C2=A0 =C2=A0We need to celebrate = how that happened and try to remember some of the important things and peop= le that made it so.

The boards response has been= : "... agrees that we should a= cknowledge this milestone appropriately. After much discussion, they conclu= ded that USENIX will do so throughout the course of its regularly scheduled= and budgeted activities.''=C2=A0 =C2=A0Basically they want to = say something at opening session and maybe acknowledge=C2=A0a few people th= at come to ACT next summer, but nothing like what we talked about.

I wanted to have a party at the History Museum in Seattle (ACT = will be in Renton).=C2=A0 =C2=A0The problem is that ACT no longer has a big= party mid week, so they don't have an event for this to occur.=C2=A0 = =C2=A0Plus much of the board did a little bit of a huh?=C2=A0 which in my t= ranslation is - "if it d= oes not help us academically, tell me why we need to do this again?"

BTW: One of the other thing that I socialized was how this c= ommunity was always open and inviting to people regardless of sexual orient= ation, race, creed etc. There have been disagreements (which Larry can rega= le you on a few as I know he holds a certain people responsible for bad thi= ngs, ushc as how the Linux community was handled).=C2=A0 =C2=A0But I wanted= to try to see if we could get some of the important women, not just the me= n (i.e. the Systers) as well as some of the folks from the LGBQ community t= hat were a part.=C2=A0 =C2=A0It's an interesting social history as well= as technical one.

My reply to the official=C2=A0email from Casey and Carolyn was:=C2=A0 "I do think you should do somethin= g over and above.=C2=A0 =C2=A0As I said, I know a lot of people are 'up= ' for it and what to do we be apart and keep asking what can they do/wh= at is going to be done.=C2=A0 =C2=A0There has been a bit of discussion on t= he TUHS mailing list.=C2=A0 =C2=A0As I said, I've been in contract with= Lou Katz, the first USENIX President, and Debbie S (who was an early Presi= dent) and Andrew Hume (also ex-President).=C2=A0 All have expressed interes= t in helping and think it would be a great idea to do something 'specia= l' both to recognize but also because it should be fun."

I be= lieve the BOD will support a BOF, but they are not going to fund bring peop= le back or anything over and beyond or an external party (although I'm = not opposed to asking a few people like Rich Adams who made $s with UNIX to= help us fund something).=C2=A0 =C2=A0So my comment to Warren was basically= this thought: if we try to make sure people are there and we set something= up, I know we can have BOF.=C2=A0 =C2=A0But if we plan it and arrange it a= nd maybe we hit bod@usenix.org with e= mail we can do something.=C2=A0 I've been looking for a good intro to t= he folks in Seattle, as I still think a party there would be the best - but= we need permission and then we need to find a way to fund it.

Clem




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