From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,URIBL_SBL,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 478cb446 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A52B49C10C; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 03:30:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD6C93D2B; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 03:30:32 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="RQCrbb/4"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id AFC1A93D2B; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 03:30:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f181.google.com (mail-qk1-f181.google.com [209.85.222.181]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 119E193D27 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 03:30:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f181.google.com with SMTP id m4so21856315qke.9 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 09:30:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Lj46sXAC8Am084A7kUmJ8VGuPPDcKXajDheMqQZsxCY=; b=RQCrbb/4iiQRFh3zwu7c7O3HT6s7NuivIH63jo2LCpKjs3VCIWbKkEekq5Z4OJJL1L rg1sfaNW3YsU6N37VRmnHYn1SYHEgn6p4VZm/ecBLtRBLANLj4j6+TfXp7vnsXSgWodX S2No93fPi6bUYRIoujxLjxFNF3AKmkqygEbQw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Lj46sXAC8Am084A7kUmJ8VGuPPDcKXajDheMqQZsxCY=; b=HHjBWDB5ykt0LbMV6bMcm9RTJtyBOA9d6U0n4XbbrXYxo+fZdwkjjjUaZEQXHZ1T5h oR6k7VoSwlouDEQ5QMmjBJoaC+MKOBWpFt9aa9vkXfHbJtpJ3Mvr2ZDOqjMgcZP79Zr2 bvg6zdKhFJxx0QpYNAETdFtxbcVOFHmvs89jdBSTEJ7iC16IidunePZxRW3vMIrmsthK JYIAqGxoxKGr3ZAFApQYYdXRlUvDWDygDGe8g9AqXS+3vqf9dlDXgYuEfz7oEAAK85+W VlvSmpi5GSqPh8++37wpgcFp2ROU4Gzk1y1EVODQLOARYA7SLuFl33t9UvwUIRKzZ+Uc u3jA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUQMO+rlLQFN77ZFK4P8Nw/Y/LTZkY6uBnxoSA7/8j9mEfHdi31 r3X9rk3RCpSx1nD79eG0bRl60pQzDYpZNUF+Efj/AA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwbC3Q+oCBFYRP1Wzl5PO86+xMsfh8EYTLzwnEL8q6pYzvYSSOxIE1HEjCeDSJFRsz6mXBpi4Hgg9bOuzZXzn0= X-Received: by 2002:a37:4b97:: with SMTP id y145mr6838244qka.133.1572975027833; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 09:30:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:30:01 -0500 Message-ID: To: Gregg Levine Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c6651c05969cc9d1" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Amdahl UTS, AIX/370, AIX/ESA X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000c6651c05969cc9d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 10:40 PM Gregg Levine wrote: > I've been trying to track down a copy of AIX/370 for > that emulator, especially since I do run VM/370 Release 6 on it. One > of the people in the community indicated that it was a product > I can verify for a fact that Locus received bug reports from all over the world. There was a team in LA set up to handled them. True, the customers were reported to be more academic than commercial, but there were commercial customers.. For instance, I was told that my current employer ran the simulation for then proposed/in-development 80386 on a 370-PS/2 cluster under iTCF FWIW: I was under the impression they used TCF to migrate the very long running simulations from two different processors (I don't know that for sure, but I have been told that by two different people, so I'm comfortable repeating it). I was also told, for an IBM customer to try to get the product was quite difficult. IBM sales basically tried really hard to not provide it and you had to know about it and know you to ask to get it. Charlie may know more, but he was working on AIX/RS-6000 which as has been pointed out was a separate code base. As for finding an old copy of AIX/370 or AIX/386 (which are the same except for specific code that cared), I wish you good luck. IBM kept the IP locked up. We were firewalled at Locus and the code was only on a couple of very special systems and access was tightly controlled. I was not on that team, so I never saw their raw IP ( so I would not be contaminated as I was one of the TNC architects). But I was allowed to talk with Bruce and Greg who were the TCF architects. We did all talk about common issues; but Greg and Bruce stayed out the TNC IP (until after the IBM contract ended) and myself and Roman stayed out of TCF. Clem --000000000000c6651c05969cc9d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 10:40= PM Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8= @gmail.com> wrote:
I've been trying to track down a copy of AIX/370 for
that emulator, especially since I do run VM/370 Release 6 on it. One
of the people in the community indicated that it was a product=C2=A0

I can verify for a fact that Locus received=C2= =A0bug reports from all over the world. There was a team in LA set up to ha= ndled them.=C2=A0 True, the customers were reported to be more academic tha= n commercial, but there were commercial=C2=A0customers..=C2=A0 For instance= , I was told that my current employer ran the simulation for then proposed/= in-development 80386 on a 370-PS/2 cluster under iTCF=C2=A0 FWIW: I was und= er the impression they used TCF to migrate the very long running simulation= s from two different processors (I don't know that for sure, but I have= been told that by two different people, so I'm comfortable repeating i= t).

I was also told, for an IBM customer to try to get= the product was quite difficult.=C2=A0 IBM sales basically tried really ha= rd to not provide it and you had to know about it and know you to ask to ge= t it.=C2=A0 Charlie may know more, but he was working on AIX/RS-6000 which = as has been pointed out was a separate code base.

As f= or finding an old copy of AIX/370 or AIX/386 (which are the same except for= specific code that cared), I wish you good luck.=C2=A0 IBM kept the IP loc= ked up.=C2=A0 =C2=A0We were firewalled at Locus and the code was only on a = couple of very special systems and access was tightly controlled.=C2=A0 =C2= =A0I was not on that team, so I never saw their raw IP ( so I would not be = contaminated as I was one of the TNC architects).=C2=A0 But I was allowed t= o talk with Bruce and Greg who were the TCF architects.=C2=A0 =C2=A0We did = all talk about common issues; but Greg and Bruce stayed out the TNC IP (unt= il after the IBM contract ended) and myself and Roman stayed out of TCF.


Clem


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