From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 67d09d96 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 21:58:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CF332947C8; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:58:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296A194790; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:58:21 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="H9aDrAdo"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 20BA694790; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:58:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f45.google.com (mail-wm1-f45.google.com [209.85.128.45]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91A5793D35 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:58:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f45.google.com with SMTP id q12so5265666wmj.4 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:58:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+rKDYVbqePzYBOoHvca2nW5krrimrEsfHhyEjvKDn3w=; b=H9aDrAdo4TNmiW7Xv+2f4hByuIFzv+quz6OFFfeBVdfBXxY6DoOoG+txnlb49RtCm/ jcH01K7+mUar6rcSMWOQ/UV9pcKfxQZrE6lUFpfJ0MffZVDWLBJ9Tp66Adn9QU3lC/NL ASSwQLLit8nLRPrBH/XMsw+86UsndUQoE2X8U= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+rKDYVbqePzYBOoHvca2nW5krrimrEsfHhyEjvKDn3w=; b=c1wTJWA+akiW6DbUStG0S+xjf3GNQdbzKz9M5M68UYear1ZQpud5AJEiqQrdfI1KJm zy1oMmM7xRod9Qd5yMneiU+MlSvrEmfgC4ZAODfGS/xjzVRVxeMCbLoJ/aOzz6TYCraJ u2XgPHywo+AqFNMFsoVDbukzY/I82TMgHKk3K7WXkOUMf0enKHlmbwWAvSKpaFNTE8Wq FlWfYA9Wl9L0LkUfQo4XA/qvnxjX+9hOS+VzkejLeZYlhdBTTvKgKJRhpmrirEWDRQTz PNsJ5UCfmEdreM/VPWk9tRTRAsxD4jAvb/1IYZRv9rSw1vSQsi2F2td7LVs0JaidP84D In5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVNAZt/cmMJEIipMGZ/aA+exuP2hTOaTlq9USzb4bjKrieU4TYu ovLZ2Kniok33ER3nPl0nTSrJmP4sjI62+163S2mI8Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyBoLJYJWMgvYm0sj4PcXTMYi91ZVg9wayBIYSRxTcZSHWbvln///n0VIlQnWpY0FkPg0Qcgfs4Qw5kqIrxIxg= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:ca0f:: with SMTP id a15mr5634373wmg.102.1568239097156; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:58:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190911181101.GF3143@mcvoy.com> <20190911185418.GA2046@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20190911185418.GA2046@mcvoy.com> From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:57:51 -0400 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004f206b05924e1ef5" Subject: Re: [TUHS] PWB vs Unix/TS X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000004f206b05924e1ef5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 2:54 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > You're probably right but it wouldn't have mattered. SunOS was very popular > and had a good VM system with a working mmap. Once it became official > AT&T source everyone would have moved to it over time. > But Sun would have to accept the economics of Intel processor sooner. Which is funny because RoadRunner was a pretty neat machine. They had Solaris/386 but was way too little too late. Sparc was a blind spot I fear. > > Sort of obvious in retrospect. Nobody, that I know of, considered it at the > time. Maybe -- as I said, i386 would have been the key. > I proposed open sourcing it. I agree, that might have worked. And then if they wanted to be in the HW biz, let the FOSS world deal with Intel. --0000000000004f206b05924e1ef5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On W= ed, Sep 11, 2019 at 2:54 PM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
You're probably right but i= t wouldn't have mattered. SunOS was very popular
and had a good VM system with a working mmap.=C2=A0 Once it became official=
AT&T source everyone would have moved to it over time.
But Sun would have to accept the eco= nomics of Intel processor sooner.=C2=A0 Which is funny because RoadRunner w= as a pretty neat machine.=C2=A0 They had Solaris/386 but was way too little= too late.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Sparc was a blind spot I fear.

=C2=A0

Sort of obvious in retrospect.=C2=A0 Nobody, that I know of, considered it = at the time.=C2=A0
Maybe -- as I said, i386 would have been the key.

=C2=A0
I proposed open sourcing it.
I agree, that might have worked.=C2=A0 And then i= f they wanted to be in the HW biz, let the FOSS world deal with Intel.=C2=A0
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