From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12646 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2022 17:03:23 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 30 Jan 2022 17:03:23 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4F19B9B672; Mon, 31 Jan 2022 03:03:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92BB495111; Mon, 31 Jan 2022 03:03:07 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="Fy6foyHJ"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E1AFD95111; Mon, 31 Jan 2022 03:03:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f171.google.com (mail-qt1-f171.google.com [209.85.160.171]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0991395109 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2022 03:03:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f171.google.com with SMTP id i4so9519430qtr.0 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2022 09:03:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Du7g02Qe3dNifMQJXnGeoVxAOoyn03aut/giaMm9XPM=; b=Fy6foyHJeFeeskrFL6BAFSBhleEZAFNzzOI6csUge9szjUgdGMZPA3tgwP2oldxJCs vXpIR+czHx9eW7fcFj3eY6CH2JztmummBXLziif5xThl82traRZb0UuGGYQKjlP4DKA6 9gHYztJgcARjEDDi8QT8JH+39QP2LSamMqfBY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Du7g02Qe3dNifMQJXnGeoVxAOoyn03aut/giaMm9XPM=; b=qmA2zWRoKJb0K0TwtSKH+48gMruxOmqp4SX5NZZHTy66sgndT9h6tQdtQLssw2P1zz eej90SLqBvbUCKAFICh3w3RCO5ti1jPzPSggPpkFhpzO3agm29jlYqk7HjpczkfdhzsX B3RlfTd1013Z6d7URK2GWIMGh8OIYC5CfdqVMC6dXH/NRrXzwOsbQQSJWN8KTJB6H+w+ PcJVS/UYgg3RqQR2rXy0Ha59uMx8U0qbL1xqglLHnpTstaNn/iMre8c/lsRGADJEoSar LRgpSca9GMNn0CGTbdedvsZSEAgJKLpO+tMZ0/J7tCeq97E3qRbUE+viDJ+Y+/2NeGee liKA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5334gDbE6YBtZipQQvJcnXIwijRgtJLRvNjE1rBoFhNJ5Moib/YE /MBf0dQHPhDvwLbzJ+szsuEKyTa7JVsmX3HDLOSTIA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyvOtA+vB3x2rZ3cGXURiCDcNTGrRUMy6dA0mYky19vtUnbbiPhCcSz5nisrdcmSXKSr/l23vrniyt3gsXLgOs= X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:5ce:: with SMTP id d14mr12093058qtb.624.1643562184789; Sun, 30 Jan 2022 09:03:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87492671-3406-49DF-B458-5F701DDFC09B@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87492671-3406-49DF-B458-5F701DDFC09B@gmail.com> From: Clem Cole Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2022 12:02:38 -0500 Message-ID: To: Will Senn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000030e2a405d6cfa436" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Ratfor s X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000030e2a405d6cfa436 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 11:03 AM Will Senn wrote: > Has anyone seen Fraser's original ratfor source for the s editor for unix > on the PDP-11. It was a screen editor front-end built on top of Software > Tools's edit. I've seen a c version, but I'm interested in the 375 line > version :). I'm not sure they are the same editor. The C program called s is part of Webb Miller's Software Tools Sampler and it's a full editor, not a front end [see: Webb Miller's S Tiny VI editor ]. By design, it is mostly vi compatible. This paper from Chris Feazer seems to be a front end for SWT editor, and was original done on the PDP-10 [which makes sense] and seems to be contemporary to the vi work at UCB and in fact called back to the SWT editor (which was >>modeled<< on UNIX ed), as opposed to ex/vi which are extensions to the v6 implementation of the UNIX ed editor. --00000000000030e2a405d6cfa436 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 11:0= 3 AM Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.c= om> wrote:
Has anyone seen Fraser's or= iginal ratfor source for the s editor for unix on the PDP-11. It was a scre= en editor front-end built on top of Software Tools's edit. I've see= n a c version, but I'm interested in the 375 line version :).

I'm not sure they are the same editor.=C2=A0 The C= program called s is part of Webb Miller's Software Tools Sampler and i= t's a full editor,=C2=A0not a front end [see: Webb Miller's S Tiny VI editor ].=C2=A0 By design,= it is mostly vi compatible.=C2=A0 This paper from Chris Feazer seems to be= a front end for SWT editor, and was original done on the PDP-10 [which mak= es sense] and seems to be contemporary to the vi work at UCB and in fact ca= lled back to the SWT editor (which was >>modeled<< on UNIX=C2= =A0ed), as opposed to ex/vi which are extensions to the v6 implementation o= f the UNIX ed editor.
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