From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23867 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2022 23:55:28 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Jul 2022 23:55:28 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD7040D6E; Sun, 3 Jul 2022 09:55:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f54.google.com (mail-wr1-f54.google.com [209.85.221.54]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE5DD40D6D for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2022 09:55:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f54.google.com with SMTP id i25so8200872wrc.13 for ; Sat, 02 Jul 2022 16:55:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=g5vu7e1nMLV+1FnvShDAmnpYnwE9rnGJh8nsfo+m8Gs=; b=g+aMFcPOrRMUgK/E3t6FpttU/gsKL49dUSBLjivSf8ubDQtblsriV5Nvsi96ua7EzP YNnmTjZblqDsdRuMEFfXvfssIS2ILPQcCSoE/wf68Dfe7F/Xax61p4zIophF+I7cipJG 97cwuvu4EehkHyuWOGwrJOEdiLRZoFlWyPPLs= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=g5vu7e1nMLV+1FnvShDAmnpYnwE9rnGJh8nsfo+m8Gs=; b=a3zMc4kKUa3LOMKsq92WkKJ1Tub4jZEdNd7q7FuUpN5DvtaziiTJpKlm8pP1aBDwji aXOT7tkZ7Lt+Qna8PUGfqK3M0w+bHKqQXZH9vnVR6NlGjb/hDGI8F1MQ0+YPuN+lWY8t qgD//uakf6pOz22TLHPMklz8ZceT99B8EGRhCVEQA86eRlfFKu+/eSErWJ0LMv3KKs9H DY3VEdA/ywPiJ2sbMMlco37V+RXnArFujB5iaqH1A0ykIdGRmLxsDTpsF/c/EA1O25Xc axW+nqLJS56EY4D1DxYCvLhJ6SHLR7nXeS9vbJ2SRVLjN8tFnI05Z0iySllSuE7YB7nu 857A== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora8aDWEovH1qDahnO2aMwDGPyuHApLMGYY//z52WvVCFtMHbZp2g 5oSAkkFlLIVX79fxW+HU7ZwW4ZKnpjXl7TJJXqYbsA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1vIsKwBbQUn0SOL8nt0c2zFajxO08OYnZhEtpuiHy4+NvPscN7+PcUJpqrkb3TJtE/9YCzS7yQGBRtPjIFxZQs= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6045:0:b0:21b:9397:41aa with SMTP id j5-20020a5d6045000000b0021b939741aamr20410680wrt.713.1656806054098; Sat, 02 Jul 2022 16:54:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20220702210244.GU11191@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20220702210244.GU11191@mcvoy.com> From: Clem Cole Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 19:54:02 -0400 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000510de805e2db3853" Message-ID-Hash: GNEMBTBDLPQRMVNUM3GYPLJHCOQJEPNX X-Message-ID-Hash: GNEMBTBDLPQRMVNUM3GYPLJHCOQJEPNX X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Marc Donner , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Thoughts on Licenses List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000510de805e2db3853 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Agreed On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 5:03 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > If I were looking for licenses "Copyrights+Licenses" would make me > find, "metadata" I wouldn't think to look in. > > But I'm an old retired dude without many brain cells left. > > On Sat, Jul 02, 2022 at 02:57:31PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > Before we go inventing our own thing, let's just add spdx tags and > > metadata..... there already is a standard for this. > > > > Warner > > > > On Sat, Jul 2, 2022, 1:09 PM Marc Donner wrote: > > > > > I would call that top level directory "metadata" ... the licensing > stuff > > > is quite relevant to the owner and operator of the system, but not > directly > > > relevant to any of its actual content or function. > > > ===== > > > nygeek.net > > > mindthegapdialogs.com/home > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 2:17 PM Clem Cole wrote: > > > > > >> As part of some of simh work, I've been immersed in some licensing > > >> discussions. Thanks for the V8-10, Plan-9 and Inferno notes - they > are > > >> relevant. > > >> > > >> Anyway, WRT to TUHS, I'm thinking that at least in the case of the > Unix > > >> style bits, I propose a small change to Waren's top-level directory. > Add > > >> a new dir called something like 'Legal Docs' or 'Copyrights+Licenses'. > > >> Then move the Caldera document and Warren's current note into that > area. > > >> Then add copies of anything we can collect like the Dan Cross's V8-10, > > >> anything WRT to Plan9/Inferno or anything we from the UNIX world - > such as > > >> something Sun, DEC or HP or like might have added. Maybe add a > > >> subdirectory with the AT&T/USL case details. And maybe add a > > >> sub-directory with known FOSS licenses used by the UNIX community and > add a > > >> copy of the 3-clause BSD and maybe even the two GPLs. > > >> > > >> Then update the README in the current top-level dir. Adding to the > > >> contents something like "*the IP contained on this website is covered > by > > >> different licenses depending on the specific IP. Copies of these can > be > > >> found with the source code itself, but have also been all collected > > >> together in the top-level directory: ...*." > > >> > > >> I think these all have both historical values, as well as practical > > >> values. As I said, I was not sure myself and I think other would be > less > > >> ignorant if they could find it all easily. In the case of the > practical, > > >> a for instance, in an email with some lawyers last week, I had > pointed them > > >> at the Caldera document. I'ld have loved to have been able to say > look in > > >> this directory. The Caldera and later Nokia Licenses are what we are > > >> considering as examples. > > >> > > >> Thoughts? > > >> > > > > > -- > --- > Larry McVoy Retired to fishing > http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat > -- Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual --000000000000510de805e2db3853 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Agreed=C2=A0

On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 5:03 PM Larry McV= oy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
If I were looking for licenses "Copyri= ghts+Licenses" would make me
find, "metadata" I wouldn't think to look in.

But I'm an old retired dude without many brain cells left.

On Sat, Jul 02, 2022 at 02:57:31PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> Before we go inventing our own thing, let's just add spdx tags and=
> metadata..... there already is a standard for this.
>
> Warner
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2022, 1:09 PM Marc Donner <marc.donner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I would call that top level directory "metadata" ... th= e licensing stuff
> > is quite relevant to the owner and operator of the system, but no= t directly
> > relevant to any of its actual content or function.
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > nygeek.net
> > mindthegapdialogs.com/home <https://w= ww.mindthegapdialogs.com/home>
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 2:17 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
> >
> >> As part of some of simh work, I've been immersed in some = licensing
> >> discussions.=C2=A0 Thanks for the V8-10, Plan-9 and Inferno n= otes - they are
> >> relevant.
> >>
> >> Anyway, WRT to TUHS, I'm thinking that at least in the ca= se of the Unix
> >> style bits, I propose a small change to Waren's top-level= directory.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Add
> >> a new dir called something like 'Legal Docs' or '= Copyrights+Licenses'.
> >>=C2=A0 Then move the Caldera document and Warren's current= note into that area.
> >> Then add copies of anything we can collect like the Dan Cross= 's V8-10,
> >> anything WRT to Plan9/Inferno or anything we from the UNIX wo= rld - such as
> >> something Sun, DEC or HP or like might have added.=C2=A0 Mayb= e add a
> >> subdirectory with the AT&T/USL case details.=C2=A0 =C2=A0= And maybe add a
> >> sub-directory with known FOSS licenses used by the UNIX commu= nity and add a
> >> copy of the 3-clause BSD and maybe even the two GPLs.
> >>
> >> Then update the README in the current top-level dir.=C2=A0 = =C2=A0Adding to the
> >> contents something like "*the IP contained on this websi= te is covered by
> >> different licenses depending on the specific IP.=C2=A0 Copies= of these can be
> >> found with the source code itself, but have also been all col= lected
> >> together in the top-level directory: ...*."
> >>
> >> I think these all have both historical values, as well as pra= ctical
> >> values.=C2=A0 As I said, I was not sure myself and I think ot= her would be less
> >> ignorant if they could find it all easily.=C2=A0 =C2=A0In the= case of the practical,
> >> a for instance, in an email with some lawyers last week, I ha= d pointed them
> >> at the Caldera document.=C2=A0 I'ld have loved to have be= en able to say look in
> >> this directory.=C2=A0 The Caldera and later Nokia Licenses ar= e what we are
> >> considering as examples.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >

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Larry McVoy=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Retired to fishing=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat
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Sent from a handheld expect more typos t= han usual
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