Re: [TUHS] My EuroBSDcon talk (preview for commentary)

[Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>]

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BTW:  I just thought of something else....  one of the b*tched about the
commercial redistribution license from V7 in 1979, that was not fixed until
the SVR3 licensing the mid-late 1980s  was AT&T's source policy.   As I
said, a commercial source license was $20K for the first CPU and 5K for
each additional one.   Later (System V) it went to $50K for the first and
$10K for each additional.   But what really ticked off the vendors like
DEC, Masscomp, Sun et al, was that each system that sources on was supposed
to one of the 'second CPU licenses' - the binary license was not good
enough.

What most of us did, was make sure any system that was a 'source control'
or 'master' system at any 'site' had a full source license, but we were all
in violation of the source agreement on our personal workstations.  The
argument was the sources on people's machines was ephemeral and not
'stored' there.   But it was definitely contentious.



On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 3:47 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:

> slide 4 --  All of HP-UX, Ultrix and Digital UNIX/Tru64 are BSD kernels.
> HP-UP and Tru64 support System V calls.
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> BTW:  DG-UX and Stratus built their own kernels, but used System V command
> systems and System Call definitions - which are not listed.
>
> Slide 6 - if you want it I have another picture of the GE system from some
> of their literature has a view of all of the components.   Send me email if
> you want it.
>
> Slide 8 - Sets out to write version of Fortran came up with B.  Uses B to
> write Assembler
>
> Slide 9 - Wrong DEC logo.  Should be the Blue one.  The maroon version
> does not show up until the 1990s with Bob Palmer (and has bad memories for
> some of us).
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> Slide 17 - Ken write PDP-11 assembler on PDP-7 in B. , Dennis starts to
> rewrite B compiler to output PDP-11 code.
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> Slide 18 - B begins to become different enough that Dennis starts to call
> it nb [new B], eventually deviates enough to become new language
>
> Slide 19 - 4th Edition release outside of the BTL.  Lou Katz becomes 'user
> zero'
>
> Slide 20 -- We need to get you the site and group name from Mash.  It was
> not in Summit, it was not USG - but was in NJ.  I thought it was Homdel but
> I that is purely speculation.
>                   Also the role of Columbus team needs to be defined.
>  Ask Mary Ann.
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> Slide 21 -- I'm not going to argue - but I would ask you to add a
> disclaimer.   This is what you could reconstruct, but there is some
> question of some of the arrows.   Heinz might be able to help, but as
> Stienhart and I have said, its believed to be in LA; but no one has tracked
> him down as he has been pursuing non-computer interests.
>
> Slide 22 --4th Edition went to Katz that this is wrong, who sometimes
> reads this mailing list.  If not, send me a note, I'll reintroduce you.  He
> might be able to give you a data.  Check with Warren, my >>memory<< is that
> some of userland is still in C although a lot assembler is still there.
>
> Slide 23 -- ??widespread??   -- I'm not sure I would use that. Not even
> 100 sites yet.     Also there were not "commercial version" this was the
> first "commercial license" -- big difference [contact me if you want
> explanation].  IIRC fee was 15K per CPU.  Commercial redistribution doesn't
> occur until after 7th is released and was a separate license.   I would
> add, Mike Lesk's portable C library is starting to be used, but most C
> program do their own I/O with read/write
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>           First real install man page and Dennis build tape installation
> system.   Earlier version released as RK05 disk copies.
>            Also numerous new peripherals. IIRC Support for the 11/40
> starts here, 4th & 5th needed a 45 class, and earlier used the 20 with the
> CSS MMU.
>
> Slide 24 -- CMU uses it to teaches OS class.  makes student in class sign
> a sub-license.
>
> Slide 25 - missing the first USENIX tapes. which include Harvard and the
> like.  Warren and I can probably help a little here.
>
> Slide 26 - new licenses.  Commercial license fees change to 20K for 1st
> CPU/5K for each CPU afterward.  CMU buys first commercial license to use
> UNIX to make money [after Cole and Klein go on strike].  Case Western
> follows suit 6month later.   AT&T agrees for the Universities that they
> only had to declare one CPU as commercial and could intermix otherwise and
> notifies all the universities that if they were using it for commercial
> purposes, then needed a license.
>
> AT&T creates first redistribution license.  Needed at least one $20K
> commercial CPU and then $150k for the rights to redistribute.   Originally
> $1K per binary CPU.
>
> Slide 27 -- missing Purdue Dual Vax and CMU Mach
>
> Slide 28 - APS had NH which was the model the DEC plate you show.   Maddog
> has it now on his Jeep when aps moved to CA (he also has the NH Linux plate
> but I don't remember the car -- you can ask him).   I have had the
> Massachusetts UNIX plate since 1983 (it's on my model S of course).   ghg
> has indiana from around the same time (I think on a pickup).  wnj had the
> CA vmunix on his Ferrari, but I don't know if he still has it or what its
> on.
>
> Slide 29 - Look in HenrySpencer-TUHS.org -- you'll find tail but not head.
>
> Slide 31 - Job Control can from Europe via MIT.  Jim Kulp wrote it.   Noel
> and I can give you the story if you want it.  It was on the PDP-11 there.
>  Joy modified csh and added it to 4.1
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> Slide 32 -- JC was not from UCB.   Joy got it from MIT   -- Dennis create
> ENV and it was first distributed in V7.
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> Slide 33 -- No Bourne supported ENV in the new shell -- see me earlier
> email for how all this went down or ask Steve yourself.
>
> Slide 34 -- PCC was included, but the Ritchie Compiler (a.k.a. Typesetter
> C) was the default compiler.  You are missing a step BTW -- typesetter C
> was released between V6 and V7.   As is the first draft of the White Book.
> The new compiler had stdio but targets V6.
> Also mpx was part of DataKit support.
>
> Slide 35 --   Not sure that is true.   I thought Microsoft's Xenix ships
> before Venix.    Particularly since you made the comment about System III
> The original 8086 Xenix was a pure V7 port, with a few additions Gordon
> brought with him from Purdue (i.e. ghg hacks).
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> Slide 52/53/54/55 -- wrong logo (see above)
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> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 11:21 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
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>> OK. I've shared my slides for the talk.
>>
>> Some of the family trees are simplified (V7 doesn't have room for all its
>> ports, for example)
>> Some of it is a little cheeseball since I'm also trying to be witty and
>> entertaining (we'll see how that goes).
>> Please don't share them around until after my talk on the September 20th
>>
>> I'd like feedback on the bits I got wrong. Or left out. Or if you're in
>> this and don't want to be, etc.
>>
>> All the slides after the Questions slide won't be presented and will
>> likely be deleted.
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>> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/177KxOif5oHARyIdZHDq-OO67_GVtMkzIAlDX-cHxgb4/edit?usp=sharing
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>> Please be kind (but if it sucks, please do tell). I've turned on
>> commenting on the slides. Probably best if you comment there.
>>
>> I have a video of me giving this talk, but it's too rough to share...
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can give me.
>>
>> Warner
>>
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