From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 30332 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2024 20:50:59 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Jan 2024 20:50:59 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE1143E81; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 06:50:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2d.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2d]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D69343E80 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 06:50:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2d.google.com with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-46771fc85cdso373711137.2 for ; Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:50:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1704228647; x=1704833447; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=CQKi5pykxtLi1GhUl2qDYegYfQPY5JMfD32rF3HI3Og=; b=o9jVIG/08gbC559KwYZXuzYQ6+r0kF/H+Zc+UZ95Ly+xFo/zgiA01sktwrh2Kyrza/ c5LBa1b7ryJ0ijTVpHo5HS/XYMWsDbMHJzBmR4WtuGlRZvpPC/A3M7D7AwfSsxsTe/P8 RQJSC1NQpJ3YKC7EK4evGj4IhQfj1C13KNO28= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1704228647; x=1704833447; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=CQKi5pykxtLi1GhUl2qDYegYfQPY5JMfD32rF3HI3Og=; b=EOgpR8KQR0o8GddvFhmqDwLDLSkG0cDSkx+CxPDpvI9dpeOzzxDoHNSuDXs9iioDBy IRvok/UjhFxUVLPHxr83uZwULhafrPIy61PN7F6K0pQvr/ktk+ct5bqaE02F4GX5xfhz A5J9RbC2SZ9AnKhCZOIzidDPgoC02P+Ras7lWjJwbof3OVjc6/Ih1QET7wskvon3sGfq p6/spyEk2VszK+F9dCwFhHzXCaRQhM3BSn7QHrqXbxHR3AyMTpntjrp/kObBv76wvEP+ yu5YyyQnxsxC2PPAMcwfFQhVV7PR1rjZSzTBsP/oDF96gUqtBNpsYNTdc3AVx4UN5OOV OkXQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyTwzS6UfWN7AcXsLhm9mrLZD5SPxuY3MvCFAELeFDmuPhlrUP8 qRkgOqY2HGYHSa5m4DflyZUEM/Pd3at+76fymTkegqG8gweF+6Xgi9z/y9M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IH3itq0M1Y64+oaWbc8ZKyKtKb9zzYPgwNiI/fsd8gkm05mJw8XYv+54VuaBctoZzTeuiTYcQt+K4lQS7g7iCw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:3f15:b0:467:2232:552b with SMTP id k21-20020a0561023f1500b004672232552bmr5598208vsv.18.1704228645867; Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:50:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6470c59f-a1e5-418f-803d-76bcd761f530@tnetconsulting.net> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2024 15:50:09 -0500 Message-ID: To: Dan Cross Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000db06d060dfca7be" Message-ID-Hash: 4TTXT6JKFLCBBIK22WGKVARYPFK4BQQB X-Message-ID-Hash: 4TTXT6JKFLCBBIK22WGKVARYPFK4BQQB X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Grant Taylor , The Unix Heritage Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Question about BSD disklabel history List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000000db06d060dfca7be Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I never said Sun or anyone else actually shipped it -- only that it was around, and there was a lot of discussion about using it/trying to create a boot ROM standard one of some type. IIRC I remember that NCR was messing with it for their 88K boxes (which I had a hand in killing). But NCR switched to all x86-based (their "7 levels "strategy) for everything from Cash Registers/ATMs to their largest Database machines. They had always been in the "better and cheaper than IBM" business, particularly in their computer products. [1] So after they switch, their boots start to be all BIOS and EBIOS flavored. But other Motorola folks I was working with at the time were exploring OF. I had it on a 68K and another 88K prototype machine at one point (I remember the "ok" prompt), and I remember I somehow had a source distribution tape. I was an independent consultant then and wrote a couple of drivers under contract for some different folks. I can not think of the firm's name now -- there was another 68K workstation firm here in Lowell, MA. They actually wrote and made a MacOS emulator work with their UNIX under covers. I've forgotten most of the details now, but they may have been one of the folks who was playing with OF. My memory is that I first encountered it at one of my consulting gigs. Clem 1] When they threw the x86 everywhere die, they also started using Microchannel (the only large licensee I know of for it -- everyone else stayed with ISA/EISA and then later PCI from DEC/AMD) - tossing out all the Moto IP like VME that so many UNIX systems had used). =E1=90=A7 --0000000000000db06d060dfca7be Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I never said S= un or anyone else actually shipped it -- only that it was around, and there= was a lot of discussion about using it/trying to create a boot ROM standar= d one of some type.=C2=A0 =C2=A0IIRC I remember that NCR was messing=C2=A0w= ith it for their=C2=A088K boxes (which I had a hand in killing). But NCR sw= itched to all x86-based (their "7 levels "strategy) for everythin= g from Cash Registers/ATMs to their largest Database machines.=C2=A0 They h= ad always been in the "better and cheaper than IBM" business, par= ticularly in their computer products. [1]=C2=A0 So after they switch, their= boots start to be all BIOS and EBIOS flavored.

But other Motorola= folks I was working with at the time were exploring OF.=C2=A0 I had it on = a 68K and another 88K prototype machine at one point (I remember the "= ok" prompt), and I remember I somehow=C2=A0had a source distribution t= ape.=C2=A0 I was an independent consultant then and wrote a couple of drive= rs under contract for some different folks. I can not think of the firm'= ;s name now -- there was another 68K workstation firm here in Lowell, MA.= =C2=A0 They actually=C2=A0wrote and made a MacOS emulator work with their U= NIX under covers.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I've forgotten most of the details now, b= ut they may have been one of the folks who was playing with OF.=C2=A0

My memory is that I first encountered it at one of my consulting gigs.

Clem



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