From: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
To: Paul Winalski <paul.winalski@gmail.com>
Cc: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>, TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: [TUHS]: C dialects (was: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023 15:00:51 -0400 [thread overview]
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On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 12:00 PM Paul Winalski <paul.winalski@gmail.com>
wrote:
> ... The committee's goal is to standardize existing practice of the
> language
> in a way that is implementable on the widest range of hardware and OS
> platforms, *and to provide a controlled way to add language extensions.*
Ah, the problem, of course, is right there.
Too many people try to "fix" programming languages, particularly academics
and folks working on a new PhD. Other folks (Gnu is the best example IMO)
want to change things so the compiler writers (and it seems like the Linux
kernel developers) can do something "better" or "more easily." As someone
(I think Dan Cross) said, when that happens, it's no longer C. Without
Dennis here to say "whoa," - the committee is a tad open loop. Today's
language is hardly the language I learned before the "White Book" existed
in the early/mid 1970s. It's actually quite sad. I'm not so sure we are
"better" off.
Frankly, I'd probably rather see ISO drop a bunch of the stuff they are now
requiring and fall back at least to K&R2 -- keep it simple. The truth is
that we still use the language today is that K&R2 C was then (and still is)
good enough and got (gets) the job done extremely well. Overall, I'm not
sure all the new "features" have added all that much.
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Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-03-10 11:37 [TUHS] Re: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary Noel Chiappa
2023-03-10 11:51 ` [TUHS] Conditions, AKA exceptions. (Was: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary) Ralph Corderoy
2023-03-10 15:54 ` [TUHS] Re: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary Dan Cross
2023-03-12 7:39 ` Anthony Martin
2023-03-12 11:40 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-12 16:40 ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-13 3:25 ` John Cowan
2023-03-13 10:40 ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2023-03-13 12:19 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-13 12:43 ` [TUHS] [TUHS]: C dialects (was: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary) Alejandro Colomar
2023-03-13 12:46 ` [TUHS] " Dan Cross
2023-03-13 16:00 ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-13 19:00 ` Clem Cole [this message]
2023-03-13 19:09 ` Larry McVoy
2023-03-13 19:17 ` Steve Nickolas
2023-03-13 20:26 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-13 22:25 ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2023-03-13 19:24 ` [TUHS] Re: [TUHS]: C dialects Luther Johnson
2023-03-13 19:38 ` Luther Johnson
2023-03-14 19:48 ` John Cowan
2023-03-14 19:56 ` Joseph Holsten
2023-03-14 20:01 ` Luther Johnson
2023-03-13 20:48 ` [TUHS] Re: [TUHS]: C dialects (was: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary) Paul Winalski
2023-03-13 20:56 ` Bakul Shah
2023-03-14 1:06 ` Larry McVoy
2023-03-13 21:00 ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-13 21:07 ` Bakul Shah
2023-03-13 21:14 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-13 22:15 ` Dave Horsfall
2023-03-13 22:47 ` Dave Horsfall
2023-03-14 0:23 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-14 0:21 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-14 13:52 ` Chet Ramey
2023-03-14 1:27 ` Bakul Shah
2023-03-13 21:28 ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-14 10:04 ` [TUHS] C dialects Ralph Corderoy
2023-03-14 20:02 ` [TUHS] " John Cowan
2023-03-14 21:34 ` Thomas Paulsen
2023-03-14 0:38 ` [TUHS] Re: [TUHS]: C dialects (was: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary) John Cowan
2023-03-14 2:49 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-03-14 3:06 ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-03-15 3:59 Noel Chiappa
2023-03-15 4:33 ` John Cowan
2023-03-16 22:50 ` Bakul Shah
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