From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 19907 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2021 22:39:07 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Dec 2021 22:39:07 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 85A989CBE6; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 08:39:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E489CBE3; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 08:38:30 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="OBSbGZvp"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B4CD09CBE3; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 08:38:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f173.google.com (mail-qt1-f173.google.com [209.85.160.173]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C725B9CBE2 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 08:38:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f173.google.com with SMTP id l8so805397qtk.6 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:38:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=IaW0Lg+KMMZGUyOTeIWnaKnweTe5JtwY9fYS0XJDQ+Y=; b=OBSbGZvp7rcVXVoAtI4dFzKScY/bD6IJ6NzUXJAEnqqUzz1jFlabNE8op2aMoH8lIA OuMuzNt7fGEqGy8CvQ3WEoZ9AQozP7MXJKrgdDnd+AJ4fqgAP5S6mF1t7OcarCv9yZDN Af5P63IDRpqf3zOjsSTkgbwg57Ir2uObWExzU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IaW0Lg+KMMZGUyOTeIWnaKnweTe5JtwY9fYS0XJDQ+Y=; b=fHEL4nS7xeqqCjhXu5u5IXzmmfpBShLQt9oHQ7X0qKH7OnhH93GwRScr4CQD6ZapWR iDCacdKmPRDtSTZuuuEH06y+4FlQBRFxyGZXNHBeVn56PJiBz5XaRtgXcbKKoC4Sdi2L IxNxVVDJnDoBnoNODs9DIRErnqYrcQBytZJ2sQkxecDURMzPFo5pymoITl2tgNZwDoiN 5x9Tu3PX533i+3D8BHlKybOgWTRfBFq61nhP5LiAVyBoKco7pqMDVtG8NDKD3AkDHiWV 0iI3M8SOvAjxxHeTXTnoZ29dkUI1NF/ES4UPyre+9VQg2cvDQwPvQR+HGQI0tpXCF11C TUXw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530QRkf2OjW1KD1AbM73oFagOwna0GsX+p0LfYbWLP4ZNkA/0rXD mH10OvkeV75erR9WGxUPbWeJqoB3g/h6AqqPpB/Q16o7BhnUZA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzGFNEi/kSea/FYF34ek1Jmjl/b1wIXiU+u3fssEdpjAbI+McK0nwz1jegT1l1HM5sw5b/uHf+589AXZMIgTfQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:14d3:: with SMTP id u19mr90477qtx.547.1639694304658; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:38:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202112150844.1BF8iibJ012519@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 17:38:02 -0500 Message-ID: To: Tom Manos Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000091d8b905d34b142c" Subject: Re: [TUHS] efl(1) anyone? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000091d8b905d34b142c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Not, trying to discourage anyone from messing with simh and one of the old UNIX systems - looking at the past. But to be honest at this stage of the game there is nothing in EFL that I know of that modern Fortran can not do. And if you want to see how the world has progressed since F4, and you have a Mac, Linux or Windows box -- the entire Intel compiler suite, including their Fortran 2018 compatible system can be downloaded for free -- Intel OneAPI HPC Toolkit Download This is the compiler many (most) supercomputer codes use - why is a good COFF discussion ;-) For the youngsters that never saw it, is a piece of F4 code [the Intel compiler can still gork it BTW], which we call the 'Eklund Test' as Dave Eklund was Mr. Fixed format for both DEC and Intel starting in the early 1970s until he retired 5 years ago [note Dave did not write this - came from Europe but is now part of the Intel compiler test suite]. C This FORTRAN program may be compiled and run on a Norsk Data C computer running SINTRAN and the FTN compiler. It uses only C FORTRAN reserved words, and contains just one numerical C constant, in a character string (a format specifier). 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Although I'm a gray hair, I didn't start using > UNIX until the early '80s, and though I've seen, and been curious about > efl, I've never used it. Fortran 4 was my first high-level language in > college in the '70s. > > That said, I do remember efl being on an early PC based UNIX - Microport > SVR2. On later Microport UNIXen it was gone, but I can't remember whether > it disappeared on SVR3 or 4. > > I currently play with 4.3BSD Quasijarus system on simh, which has efl. > What a fun system to play with! Maybe I'll give efl a try if I can find > enough docs to grok it. > > Tom > ---- > Tom Manos > KO4ENQ > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 3:49 AM wrote: > >> Hi TUHS folks! >> >> After having reincarnated ratfor, I am wondering about Stuart Feldman's >> efl (extended fortran language). It was a real compiler that let you >> define structs, and generated more or less readable Fortran code. >> >> I have the impression that it was pretty cool, but that it just didn't >> catch on. So: >> >> - Did anyone here ever use it personally? >> >> - Is my impression that it didn't catch on correct? Or am I ignorant? >> >> Thoughts etc. welcome. :-) >> >> Thanks, >> >> Arnold >> > --00000000000091d8b905d34b142c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:57 PM Tom Manos <<= a href=3D"mailto:tom.manos@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tom.manos@gmail.com= > wrote:
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I&#= 39;m late to the party here. Although I'm a gray hair, I didn't sta= rt using UNIX until the early '80s, and though I've seen, and been = curious about efl, I've never used it. Fortran 4 was my first high-leve= l language in college in=C2=A0the '70s.

That said, I do remember efl being on an early PC base= d UNIX - Microport SVR2. On later Microport UNIXen it was gone, but I can&#= 39;t remember whether it disappeared on SVR3 or 4.

I currently play with 4.3BSD Quasijarus system on= simh,=C2=A0which has efl. What a fun system to play with! Maybe I'll g= ive efl a try if I can find enough docs to grok it.

Tom
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Tom Manos
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On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 3:49 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
Hi TUHS folks!

After having reincarnated ratfor, I am wondering about Stuart Feldman's=
efl (extended fortran language). It was a real compiler that let you
define structs, and generated more or less readable Fortran code.

I have the impression that it was pretty cool, but that it just didn't<= br> catch on.=C2=A0 So:

- Did anyone here ever use it personally?

- Is my impression that it didn't catch on correct? Or am I ignorant?
Thoughts etc. welcome. :-)

Thanks,

Arnold
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