From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id af6ce2ec for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 14:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5D48D93FCF; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 00:11:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E5F93D07; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 00:10:52 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b=Wrlbg5yE; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id F20BC93D07; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 00:10:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-io0-f180.google.com (mail-io0-f180.google.com [209.85.223.180]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AB2393D06 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 00:10:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-io0-f180.google.com with SMTP id z20-v6so20479557iol.0 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 07:10:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=mPEC02QNSJHTM0SsJGgtgkOjgsBM2E8mxL5vh3PKNAs=; b=Wrlbg5yEwpRwz1og+OX0HjRHWxm0vrURUNYL42+5fd4UZpDyGKrdOUjnrbVOQx5H07 0JjJXZ4ssqG0glSvFd9tYx7GX9K5mr8uwbLwcYgIIa+PVyWjmP5EdZHgK0fSZ4DvtCzi RazdwvcCwUx1MRGW7xpZbvyejWCpzeYnG+MEg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mPEC02QNSJHTM0SsJGgtgkOjgsBM2E8mxL5vh3PKNAs=; b=IrrVG14nDKVGO7pssr4p8pxKKgnDXpKAI55XEgbcB9buBrh5+4O8oeDZdlgrQDZy2z rNF+qhSfFFg7jp49xp03qpHNwZuq4N7YQj3VnmnEduEEagV2xndkjcLOX3Pv9CCGySai qbcnAXkCdGvW8Jegdg9a/qm234nCsygXnp4cIKmsDfXXiuEoAJ3RgIVT3zsDgv/0mzmw cZ07foUSak+V7fcvmdXN08U9Ikw0drO5ju8gniTYEnQhQgPa4CDeMRL2QxhtdpsyAe/t Fi7yg60iOC75uECi/85Cg4TTEmLNBWa+DVC8VJxuNsu4BqjnJXNAH8cL+Lj4Kj9czFgh RRyg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlG6RYUHVIDztmLnG/ygPfnMMwPI/SLNQiH/zBfm0iryAkV8KkS1 0AKl1os1ZBL5nsRNIa55CDlRBwmgM3s9NVN+lQAPWg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpcxOjYjvvEj0ogCCVLwSFxHfEUJ0D7+wMU4MUTKk/wkYT5SrIbz7yFXm0R4Bo2uGLQBgJaF9oGXsCLySWUwasM= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:de05:: with SMTP id v5-v6mr21644588iog.121.1531231848689; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 07:10:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a4f:ca8a:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 07:10:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201807100554.w6A5s0VM005631@freefriends.org> References: <3386fb80b5282f7bca0ccf34252182c2398232c1@webmail.yaccman.com> <5D272962-0063-4D28-B551-F381D3D10239@alchemistowl.org> <009101d4112f$8bb30f50$a3192df0$@ronnatalie.com> <1531153839.3991054.1434840984.210C4B3F@webmail.messagingengine.com> <201807100554.w6A5s0VM005631@freefriends.org> From: Clem Cole Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 10:10:17 -0400 Message-ID: To: Aharon Robbins Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000690c1c0570a5b2f8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Any Good dmr Anecdotes? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000690c1c0570a5b2f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right (and I agree) -- widespread usage/really being noticed. And that was because it came in the Summit releases not the Research/UCB stream, which did not help either. =E1=90=A7 On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1:54 AM, wrote: > Clem Cole wrote: > > > BY the time dmr adds stdio, it was > > still early enough in the life to displace the randomness for something > as > > important as I/O, whereas lack of use of something.like getopt would no= t > > become clearly deficient until after widespread success. > > I think "widespread access" is more like it for getopt. Getopt dates > to 1980; it was in System III (I just checked). That's only about two yea= rs > after V7 which was circa 1978. > > Here are the dates: > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 arnold arnold 1073 Apr 11 1980 usr/src/lib/libc/pdp11/gen/ > getopt.c > -rw-rw-r-- 1 arnold arnold 2273 May 16 1980 usr/src/man/man3/getopt.3c > > But the world outside the Bell System didn't have System III. Getopt > didn't become "popular" until System V or so, and became much easier to > adopt once Henry Spencer published his public domain rewrite of the code > and man page. > > Just a nit, (:-) > > Arnold > --000000000000690c1c0570a5b2f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Right (and I agree) -- widespread usage/really being no= ticed.
And that was because it came in the Summit releases not the = Research/UCB stream, which did not help either.
3D""=E1=90=A7

On Tue, = Jul 10, 2018 at 1:54 AM, <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:

> BY the time dmr adds stdio, it was
> still early enough in the life to displace the randomness for somethin= g as
> important as I/O, whereas lack of use of something.like getopt would n= ot
> become clearly deficient until after widespread success.

I think "widespread access" is more like it for getopt.=C2= =A0 Getopt dates
to 1980; it was in System III (I just checked). That's only about two y= ears
after V7 which was circa 1978.

Here are the dates:

-rw-rw-r-- 1 arnold arnold 1073 Apr 11=C2=A0 1980 usr/src/lib/libc/pdp11/ge= n/getopt.c
-rw-rw-r-- 1 arnold arnold 2273 May 16=C2=A0 1980 usr/src/man/man3/getopt.3= c

But the world outside the Bell System didn't have System III. Getopt didn't become "popular" until System V or so, and became much= easier to
adopt once Henry Spencer published his public domain rewrite of the code and man page.

Just a nit, (:-)

Arnold

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