From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f29e1ba3 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 18:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7442DA2208; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 04:47:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315CFA1F07; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 04:47:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E7F6EA1F07; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 04:47:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f48.google.com (mail-wr1-f48.google.com [209.85.221.48]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 388D4A1F04 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 04:47:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f48.google.com with SMTP id u3so20770122wrs.3 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 10:47:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2tjl7bjGwOOWoaQkyQzZz7Wm1DeE3GARXu8c8IvmH9Q=; b=oOijnLu4SVGeCXAjSgeOmjx9AOR/yLS+FnoXrNb0/S9mNo3yF2bqvjiF8eyJSQqbQ8 92//ZV6ZZ/axrIy5Lyr1nrYDynmFmmc1UqWIgddzvtzCy5ZvLwF5A2bH/rx24H/Hm2b0 FM+MSpyA1HF22tH9w6SbDQrEUwUTiOMlEK9EU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2tjl7bjGwOOWoaQkyQzZz7Wm1DeE3GARXu8c8IvmH9Q=; b=Bd+NUyo4cfiRsQGTCHyEDPGz3p8M/Nk7yQ4sjb4FUwomJrWA7NwbuSJRF+hQmG6Mtk 7J8PA3G7mZ44/rTAWh00FfXwrOdf5x/ybITIIENqOUtbCxaV6YhZJ/xTlTN+7s60TNIA +19Q2QTvbJfWha9HqIRIkOQh/x1nx5xXSZp4oLcctEY+Sd6ob9z4Jhw58LvlItv9L0N+ ROwzoAGzVaVMAf0HrPa9/lgl/ENnZNT3aFhaT9G46d04draXKcPTVFrRUpEqsl3sxQqG iBeOAvRg62SZF0dNjNrek26oUW5TAodXE0WljjwpfqCNQjYUbfaZMtLgmRQMFsbymaiU KEMA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWa/TEPULGfR9GiEHShml6ZZsKcmnanlRW79K8pg8MI37BTUW7DX T8hz5wHtPSEkzbba3inf3jEHPLfJD5afCZmvHcsutQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/VOShQY6xDqPVQM3IKfJ53pdbeBeijAlHtk4b4xQI4rmgQp66fQz5gu1zTUK3Q6bBP9nctQrf2hhCFFpvk5RQ8= X-Received: by 2002:adf:ef50:: with SMTP id c16mr22795513wrp.198.1544035630380; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 10:47:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 13:46:44 -0500 Message-ID: To: Henry Bent Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000450dc1057c4acfe2" Subject: Re: [TUHS] DEC compilers (was Happy birthday, John Backus!) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000450dc1057c4acfe2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 1:29 PM Henry Bent wrote: > > http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/vax/ultrix-32/4.0_Jun90/AA-MG6= 3B-TE_ULTRIX_Technical_Summary_Jun90.pdf > seems to imply that as of Ultrix 4.0, there were COBOL and Ada compilers > for the VAX (Table 4-1). Elsewhere VAX LISP for Ultrix is mentioned, whi= ch > I had no idea existed. I hope that these compilers have been preserved > somewhere, as I imagine they sold in relatively small quantities. > It all gets fuzzy by then - what was released and what actually existed. Their was a Vax LISP from the Franz guys, but I think the DEC/CMU Common LISP was VMS also was there. The 11 has been dropped from support an the PMAX has replaced it but the compilers for PMAX are coming primarily from MIPS. I do not believe DEC did a LISP themselves for the MIPS machines. But, it turns out a number of the MIPS compilers would work on Ultrix, although DEC had not released them directly. But some 3rd parties did on their own, sometimes with DEC's blessing and sometimes not. Plus the Alpha is being developed by then, so TLG is up to neck in the GEM development cycle which would replace everything i the languages teams when the dust settled (as Paul has mentioned it was an amazing piece of work at the time and still somewhat lasts today - the VMS,Inc folks of course are built an INTEL*64 code generator for it and supposedlty have VMS booting on modern HW these days). Clem =E1=90=A7 --000000000000450dc1057c4acfe2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 1:29 PM Henry Bent <henry.r.bent@gmail.com> wrote:
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/vax/ultrix-32/4.0_Jun90/AA-M= G63B-TE_ULTRIX_Technical_Summary_Jun90.pdf seems to imply that as of Ul= trix 4.0, there were COBOL and Ada compilers for the VAX (Table 4-1).=C2=A0= Elsewhere VAX LISP for Ultrix is mentioned, which I had no idea existed.= =C2=A0 I hope that these compilers have been preserved somewhere, as I imag= ine they sold in relatively small quantities.
It all gets fuzzy by then - what was released and what actu= ally existed.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Their was a Vax LISP from the Franz guys, but I t= hink the DEC/CMU Common LISP was VMS also was there.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The= 11 has been dropped from support an the PMAX has replaced it but the compi= lers for PMAX are coming primarily from MIPS.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I do not believe = DEC did a LISP themselves for the MIPS machines.=C2=A0 But, it turns out a = number of the MIPS compilers would work on Ultrix, although DEC had not rel= eased them directly.=C2=A0 =C2=A0But some 3rd parties did on their own, som= etimes with DEC's blessing and sometimes not.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0Plus the Alpha is being developed by then, so TLG is up to n= eck in the GEM development cycle which would replace everything i the langu= ages teams when the dust settled (as Paul has mentioned it was an amazing p= iece of work at the time and still somewhat lasts today - the VMS,Inc folks= of course are built an INTEL*64 code generator for it and supposedlty have= VMS booting on modern HW these days).=C2=A0

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