From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22405 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2020 15:43:12 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Aug 2020 15:43:12 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1CAB49CB47; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 01:43:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580199C9E3; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 01:42:25 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="O/y4KB5g"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3218F9C9E3; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 01:42:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f171.google.com (mail-qk1-f171.google.com [209.85.222.171]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68AA993DFC for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 01:42:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f171.google.com with SMTP id u64so31574684qka.12 for ; Sat, 01 Aug 2020 08:42:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=oyzE8Fi2XwP6WBJewpuFuPzWRAw/bUgUf70j24H1L/Q=; b=O/y4KB5gyoOGK27JbFpWxTTg8UxROJpUBia/GubzAE9ZGTFpOcKZbrcop8wr/Fxrjf z/zBC9hIWEmxVM/BTnOZZ517fUdMKGf+OMIU0noyNwG9e9EPWt2qa1EBGXTpAs8eBh/I Pce/MeV+rds7EMJrvNsXSpTY6pZdLoSr6kM9M= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oyzE8Fi2XwP6WBJewpuFuPzWRAw/bUgUf70j24H1L/Q=; b=qCRUGZqEEl4mYP1R5d86o7UxPA/4Lg6iLrT1j34stq5fIpXBJkAdCE+IpRdmuPEt6F B2O4s7h5hlCXysSSZUbnXSq+S/5lXHMc0zJEo0bLDOBwJVEDlPdK65+Nk1J6J5RJK2Fj H6gSEd/ZRNuVY+utN7rB7DRYjr95m9Z5j/HyzcJ5/LuSFvfyZVjX9IMCcG+Pbt1tTY5m iVl7aMJ2xQ+QZx/eW2swEVmRMk35s/N1+evvymgY0/EN+he7PWDHQ9FK63Aduk2D/Uz5 H8bE0iHxgJFb4eS8x9qfLbXRcl3t5GeCwy6jNJP/EL3H3UQs3K1Vf9VUkPcU0L0cbPgE 8zzw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5311U32YLL9pRlmJQ29Y0N/ASrqM3vgRedbGmta8d9WAwMkdhL+b v3k86gsCqAV5UTesOA7ErE3zjjcBOiKdXgV6Ofy5yzRo X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyWIJuee7dc62Rd0CClUaps4IScS3Jfde3K6VF3AXqENqwXZ8TYn77BkWICC3wmHLUfR00C+0HvUALNFmM7Q6U= X-Received: by 2002:a37:4641:: with SMTP id t62mr8875908qka.25.1596296541277; Sat, 01 Aug 2020 08:42:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 11:41:55 -0400 Message-ID: To: Warner Losh Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004cb33f05abd2c0dc" Subject: Re: [TUHS] vi in v7 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000004cb33f05abd2c0dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Not that I know of. Tom's was called ansitape. On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 10:33 AM Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 6:16 AM Clem Cole wrote: > >> Dave those are ANSI tape labels. Unix does not use them DEC did >> although was inconsistent with the use particularly WRT HDR2 records. Tom >> Quarles (of spice 3 fame) wrote probably the best version for Unix to deal >> with them. I believe I gave a copy but it will be in BSD 4.1 maybe 4.2 >> compiler syntax. I'll ask him if he ever updated it. Clem >> > > How is that related to ansitar.c? > > Warner > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 3:55 AM Dave Horsfall wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2020, Warner Losh wrote: >>> >>> > Weren't V5/6/7/etc distributed as bootable tapes? Set the switch >>> > register to point to the tape instead of the disk... >>> > >>> > Yes. They were. We have V6 and V7 tapes (and a V5 disk image). Likely >>> > earlier versions likely did too. What I'd meant was that 2.8BSD is >>> the >>> > first 2BSD that had a bootable tape. >>> >>> Ah, my mistake. >>> >>> I think the loader also read just the first block, so woe betide you if >>> you used a labelled tape... >>> >>> If I recall, VOL1, HDR1, etc. >>> >>> -- Dave >> >> -- >> Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual >> > --0000000000004cb33f05abd2c0dc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not that I know of.=C2=A0 Tom's was called ansitape= .

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 10:33 AM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:


On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 6:16 = AM Clem Cole <clemc@c= cc.com> wrote:
Dave those are ANSI tape labels.=C2=A0 Unix do= es not use them =C2=A0 =C2=A0DEC did although was inconsistent with the use= particularly WRT HDR2 records.=C2=A0 Tom Quarles (of spice 3 fame) wrote p= robably the best version for Unix to deal with them.=C2=A0 I believe I gave= a copy but it will be in BSD 4.1 maybe 4.2 compiler syntax. I'll ask h= im if he ever updated it. Clem

How is that related to ansitar.c?

Warner

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 3:55 AM Dave Horsfall = <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2020, Warner Losh wrote:

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Weren't V5/6/7/etc distributed as bootab= le tapes?=C2=A0 Set the switch
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0register to point to the tape instead of the= disk...
>
> Yes. They were. We have V6 and V7 tapes (and a V5 disk image). Likely =
> earlier versions likely did too.=C2=A0 What=C2=A0I'd meant was tha= t 2.8BSD is the
> first 2BSD that had a bootable tape.

Ah, my mistake.

I think the loader also read just the first block, so woe betide you if you used a labelled tape...

If I recall, VOL1, HDR1, etc.

-- Dave
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Sent from a handhel= d expect more typos than usual
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