From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 21081 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2023 21:11:52 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 30 Jan 2023 21:11:52 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDCA42639; Tue, 31 Jan 2023 07:11:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f42.google.com (mail-vs1-f42.google.com [209.85.217.42]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8D1842611 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2023 07:11:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f42.google.com with SMTP id i185so13985177vsc.6 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 13:11:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=s03VMecVc0Pv4+aTpauObXIiVAo3jZdxjANy1XEdVNQ=; b=k2QKMZn1TnXUX9JBjm07+Ot6Rms18tx0ssLCRA2wOQ4LVqot/B0WcREbf2npI/j1Xt A7kfWVQ0dM18tRqqKhP26jO8hzeuNiTyq2GfIVRGuda5foqHRY9szGkgsbnpLKDFcQhb 390RF7yf1G3poipklUjTT/XF4ofP7ICerF0k4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=s03VMecVc0Pv4+aTpauObXIiVAo3jZdxjANy1XEdVNQ=; b=vNgE1Emj23tU/Qevw2nJXib84KJXtxjw0fFqpBPDmx9RSf9pPdf88xnYmRotwV4LRr 8WKUfCgqI4CY4+DWnzIDGAWnmUTfyvFR0ItSqw3qDb/A1M4RL2orrS3d7AhtGQFyt+fG yrw5GZWJ86r11bHCWCa5PTn2V1X+S6EgwwF43rPHE1JXWoolg56ZgdWdw+qiVHgLBboq jOHwCtPeD5wzKonkL+E1SLk02+wR/xa7yVGSWiSiutv9VuH0QKiwosnqghvMGeesQWkI OTtZ9ASnhRS5X3lLFIAWV1lvhGh9Z+ZESwFJCWDJ9tXvzsAGTznVAZMnFUXoMP9ZGyy/ DWHA== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKUZdfjcLg4aicx2Zw+Ons9nim8REyLKmFNN8807UhRQfYlFtuIe AZWZ0tSxw2Cc9olaOiFrtyy9EguEP/YohKThMiyMLw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set/Wr8DSurLAX1zWNtH+A9+kN7dmXUDHW3fMOA9R19GqoFymXJvBUC+qy/yishYLFpkhb8tENIn7zX5ItS62WMg= X-Received: by 2002:a67:e1d7:0:b0:3eb:d421:da62 with SMTP id p23-20020a67e1d7000000b003ebd421da62mr2160326vsl.52.1675113040956; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 13:10:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202301300750.30U7oQTh013304@freefriends.org> <20230130150219.GD12306@mcvoy.com> <20230130152703.GE12306@mcvoy.com> <20230130154555.GF12306@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 16:10:14 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Theodore Ts'o" , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c3f6bd05f381a5d7" Message-ID-Hash: XRHTEAQXTUI2NRJK3ALC4EHVDS4VQTR5 X-Message-ID-Hash: XRHTEAQXTUI2NRJK3ALC4EHVDS4VQTR5 X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: FD 2 List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000c3f6bd05f381a5d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 3:39 PM Theodore Ts'o wrote: > apparently representatives from System V derivatives > seemed to have a dominant role on the POSIX committee. > I can personally attest (having been in the room during many of that those discussions) this is a true statement. The early versions (certainly thru .1 - the original system called Interface), AT&T team, and a number of vendors particularly the European ones - tried hard to push the SVID to be POSIX, although many of us had used a lot of BSD in our systems fought back. Can not say it was a fun time. The problem was everyone in the room wanted to be the big dog and to have all the food -- no one could really admit that we were all in it together and the real competition was elsewhere. FWIW: Keith Bostic occasionally came to some of those meetings from CSRG to some of those meetings and was amazingly gracious/patient. It's why 4.4 had a number of things in that made it closer to POSIX. =E1=90=A7 --000000000000c3f6bd05f381a5d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 3:39= PM Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
apparently representatives from System V derivatives
seemed to have a dominant role on the POSIX committee.
=C2=A0I can personally attest (having=C2=A0been in the room during man= y of that those=C2=A0discussions) this is a true statement.
The early versions (certainly=C2=A0thru .1=C2=A0 - the original syste= m called Interface), AT&T team, and a number of vendors particularly th= e European ones - tried hard to push the SVID to be POSIX, although many of= us had=C2=A0used a lot of=C2=A0BSD in our systems fought back. Can not say= it was a fun time.=C2=A0 The problem was everyone in the room wanted to be= the big dog and to have all the food -- no one could really=C2=A0admit tha= t we were all in it together and the real competition was elsewhere.=

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