From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id e3dc07f3 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 20:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 11D149BA0A; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 06:44:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2849B9A9; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 06:44:12 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="kkE5+v9A"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D4C1C9B9A9; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 06:44:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f49.google.com (mail-wm1-f49.google.com [209.85.128.49]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 288D29B937 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 06:44:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f49.google.com with SMTP id g207so4022807wmg.5 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 13:44:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Yz/l7itgA+bhfK9zzrUrvIBOdE0AXot1KNADqaXICB0=; b=kkE5+v9A64y8ptMoG8Ue30eIJivbTJbfgAJlaHKCBRZdFrufcPjUNYy/J0tI2Vv0Un +NjF84bI9Meq3gBf6PtGYJ9icbJJEjsEKyl/IsI4pGX7pzNcxzDbuwGU+7XbczJDDutw EivLsvYVfCM6mZ/6ppZMb68oSaYGu6en/fnQY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Yz/l7itgA+bhfK9zzrUrvIBOdE0AXot1KNADqaXICB0=; b=NXJM5bkwcglyjzu1RwyX/KE8iolg3kFdwcXBiZXlY+DL0nk9SXy+HAD0bKHfadMFIt U3KFvzApGgf1w7DsmGtIT2peai5ChTCKyLdC+35ygdCN/nCWdTOuwyqloW+Q/A2+5ac9 O5/XNjmXri//BxAinm2PZ7MheAyo0+YjCmsPXAfSkmAAj4UQixfcLoyaA9bjEOsRUpJz EImLPZT11kDNdSadL1GwtBHrKuntch9kRZSiVkV0Rh0usP6KUkWE9iXhAyjpeHVOTXs6 DgYm0kJbSVNoi82b7Am8Dk6XcNyx/2kTyLzI1KImEchMVBd/adlcCu8lvXgmNoY6umzl uVIA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWu56SPM+2dS0VCEQtznW80YTI3L6zZLtVcs5Y2My+3w7ECDSdj wg3h6/gddSySgHAaCgA6x1vCySlBL4K5Wv2qgM6lipia/Vs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwxvPK12FyQq4vB5hGCAU76/NizisANd5i3kiKNL3UIpnTIB+rnTyoK9GfdJhXh0mo2f5Vqg81sSvZwjMOJdy0= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:ca0f:: with SMTP id a15mr4866040wmg.102.1568407448723; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 13:44:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201909132024.x8DKObEP013266@darkstar.fourwinds.com> In-Reply-To: <201909132024.x8DKObEP013266@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Clem Cole Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 16:43:42 -0400 Message-ID: To: Jon Steinhart Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d8319c05927550e2" Subject: Re: [TUHS] My EuroBSDcon talk (preview for commentary) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000d8319c05927550e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Jon - Good catch and that is a good reminder. Warner - You need to add troff and the C/A/T to your timeline. They were too important. What I don't remember, although Doug or Steve might, was the original troff 4th or 5th edition? bwk did ditroff, later with the addition of the APS5. FWIW: It was for 6th edition and post 1BSD that Tom Ferin did the original vcat(1) work at UCSF's PDP-11. It would get spread later to the world as part of one of the BSDs, but the original emulation of a C/A/T4 with a plotter support came from Tom, his graphics lab and the earlier work with the Hershey fonts that CMU and Stanford had done to support the XGP for the PDP-10s. But that was super important for why people wanted UNIX early on. On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 4:24 PM Jon Steinhart wrote: > Not sure about the last bullet on slide 18. I think that it would be more > correct to say "format" instead of "typeset" since I don't think that the > C/A/T came out until 1972. I guess it all comes down to whether or not you > consider nroff on an ASR-37 to be typesetting. > > Jon > --000000000000d8319c05927550e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jon - Good catch and that is a good reminder.
W= arner - You need to add troff and the C/A/T to your timeline.=C2=A0 They we= re too important.=C2=A0 =C2=A0What I don't remember, although Doug or S= teve might, was the original=C2=A0troff 4th or 5th edition?=C2=A0 bwk did d= itroff,=C2=A0later with the addition of the APS5.

FWIW= : It was for 6th edition and post 1BSD that Tom Ferin did the original vcat= (1) work at UCSF's PDP-11.=C2=A0 =C2=A0It would get spread later to the= world as part of one of the BSDs, but the original emulation of a C/A/T4 w= ith a plotter support came from Tom, his graphics lab and the earlier work = with the Hershey=C2=A0fonts that CMU and Stanford had done to support the X= GP for the PDP-10s.=C2=A0 But that=C2=A0was super important for why people = wanted UNIX early on.


On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 4:24 PM Jon= Steinhart <jon@f= ourwinds.com> wrote:
Not sure about the last bullet on slide 18.=C2=A0 I think that = it would be more
correct to say "format" instead of "typeset" since I do= n't think that the
C/A/T came out until 1972.=C2=A0 I guess it all comes down to whether or no= t you
consider nroff on an ASR-37 to be typesetting.

Jon
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