From: clemc@ccc.com (Clem Cole)
Subject: [TUHS] System Economics (was is Linux "officially branded UNIX")
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:35:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC20D2Pwgd8M-=ug3Z-z93to4A92Z0_-auXno1VGwE+vO5LD7w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170315192815.GA15120@naleco.com>
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On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Josh Good <pepe at naleco.com> wrote:
> On 2017 Mar 14, 21:11, Clem Cole wrote:
> >
> > My point is that you (and many others) equate "open" and "free" - I ask
> > you to please not make that error. Open means we can talk about it and
> > share it, see it. Which is exactly what we did "back in the day". But
> as
> > people pointed out you had to pay AT&T to be a member of the UNIX club if
> > you were commercial, although any University type could be apart for
> free.
>
> What UNIX for PC in the '90s had the option to buy a source code license
> for that specific version, so that PC hackers could write drivers for
> their hardware and tune the kernel internals to their liking, or be able
> to fix themselves a bug in the serial port driver, etc.?
>
> Certainly not OpenServer, not UnixWare nor SCO Xenix. Did DELL Unix
> offered a payware source code license for their product? I'm not aware
> of such.
>
> From System V onwards, UNIX became closed source in what matters, that
> is, the version running on your hardware and the version with the drivers
> you are using (unless you were an employee at IBM, DEC, HP or SUN running
> propietary hardware and happened to be in the right group).
>
> It is obvious to me that RMS's GNU movement was aimed at solving that
> very problem. And if that was a problem, then the "UNIX openness" you
> talk about does not seem to have been very practical at all. At least,
> it was totally useless to PC hackers, like Linus Torvalds - he had to
> write his own UNIX, because he was not able to get any UNIX source code
> he could readily compile and run on his i386.
>
> --
> Josh Good
>
>
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Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-03-14 14:43 Clem Cole
2017-03-14 15:38 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-14 15:51 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-14 15:56 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-14 15:57 ` Michael Kjörling
2017-03-14 16:20 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-14 18:06 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-14 18:31 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-14 18:59 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-14 18:20 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-14 19:48 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-15 14:32 ` Michael Kjörling
2017-03-15 15:36 ` Arthur Krewat
[not found] ` <58c9623b.law1Aw2ufj3DFNA1%schily@schily.net>
2017-03-15 15:54 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-15 15:59 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-15 17:43 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-15 19:02 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-15 19:14 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-14 18:41 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-17 18:16 ` [TUHS] GNU vs BSD before the lawsuit and before Linux Tony Finch
2017-03-17 18:52 ` Jeremy C. Reed
2017-03-19 7:18 ` arnold
2017-03-19 9:05 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-19 18:37 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-17 19:54 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-14 18:18 ` [TUHS] System Economics (was is Linux "officially branded UNIX") Clem Cole
2017-03-14 16:20 ` tfb
2017-03-14 22:45 ` Josh Good
2017-03-15 1:11 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-15 7:55 ` arnold
2017-03-15 19:28 ` Josh Good
2017-03-15 19:35 ` Clem Cole [this message]
2017-03-15 20:26 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-15 23:22 ` 'Josh Good'
2017-03-15 19:45 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-15 20:27 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-15 20:48 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-15 23:46 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-16 0:45 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-16 1:27 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-03-16 3:09 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-16 3:18 ` Charles Anthony
2017-03-16 3:36 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-16 4:08 ` arnold
2017-03-16 12:51 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-16 13:18 ` William Pechter
2017-03-17 21:20 ` Josh Good
2017-03-16 15:42 ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-16 17:29 ` William Pechter
2017-03-15 23:55 ` Josh Good
2017-03-16 0:05 ` William Pechter
2017-03-15 20:08 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-16 0:46 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-16 0:52 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-16 19:47 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-17 2:16 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-17 15:55 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-17 21:11 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-14 19:01 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-14 20:05 Clem Cole
2017-03-14 20:16 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-14 20:54 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-14 21:19 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-16 15:40 Norman Wilson
2017-03-16 17:26 ` William Pechter
2017-03-16 18:45 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-16 22:17 ` Dave Horsfall
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