From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id a47ad6a4 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 17:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4D86A9B686; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 03:27:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD239B483; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 03:27:14 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="Sqhonj8c"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 720269B483; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 03:27:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f51.google.com (mail-wr1-f51.google.com [209.85.221.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 976799518A for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 03:27:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f51.google.com with SMTP id v14so13940743wrr.4 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 10:27:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=B0LtPUDV1WloMoJspvvMbNrlAsqDmtG8a098naUE0f4=; b=Sqhonj8cn89biCQcoLuFj3EL4j1h3W0kaofDjurYkpVjSHcxQdnUQBwp7xJOll9XY2 HHZTriIttjpEmQ39ri0rJ4byB17ByG5JabMlTKz6g/u9xrwNd0x52CNET1fkmq+QaGoH F9OBap1uR95yJNco6l7tK47Ifp31ex0GhUHjo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=B0LtPUDV1WloMoJspvvMbNrlAsqDmtG8a098naUE0f4=; b=pkZIbdZU9jCUrK8l9AxqwxMmWuOWowebPaquwpvzNfOu1BrPFJc+JzDGpXN6XkTfQx ekRll/AlS8Rqu3URtWlGuFr11vEyHRGj0RRrzgOtvHrpHUFRByoYkYVeDfPgliKAIBNS GLuCNX1DSFxU7efKCclngG4Bn7v7hQSsffju4q8LLHhCmpkwv3kuBW4E+O2uUfD0+QHK CmGwY5CragNDtamg4GFRmH3YDKg1YoRmxjBvI/axMotBJrKNei2+wg0Qxov81/kdeGpu gH4TSe63sr1lf8ICDiPwMQTILCx3yv0tJ8LY/pg7lOAYwtBqSk8dEapOcY7N7DQNCAKO weiA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVRemG0xuHCfPBqirdODMD5vh2IuzgK52XcdOpFz9GrvnW/e9nC NfLZgZDrOl1Lor0v9v2NFfpQfDA/zU3diPIL0f2zBXc1 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzPpJs9CpIa0Mb6r47/n4dlXN0ooK974mBLj+6iW2HSrrj7tcCWDW0NRI5LEwj9Xsc6Uqqy+HM/LXV0W+lxyuw= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:56cb:: with SMTP id m11mr15378184wrw.255.1560274030144; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 10:27:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7247.1560233525@cesium.clock.org> <169b01d5204f$f633c1f0$e29b45d0$@ronnatalie.com> <7wzhmoqc4z.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> In-Reply-To: <7wzhmoqc4z.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> From: Clem Cole Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 13:26:44 -0400 Message-ID: To: Lars Brinkhoff Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000051c39d058b0f9b3d" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Question about finding curses to build on v7 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "Erik E. Fair" , TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000051c39d058b0f9b3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting and that sounds quite plausible. CCA sold it at one point. Masscomp (because Steve was working for us) got a license and a redistribution license. IIRC: we could redistribute the binary for free as long as CCA got Steve's changes back. Steve definitely did the terminfo/lib work for CCA Emacs at Masscomp, as I had pointed out that AT&T was moving to terminfo but was locking it up inside of the System V (AT&T 'consider it standard' stuff - much to a number of their own people telling them not too). Pavel ?? Curtis I think ?? - I've forgotten his last name - had written a new uncontaminated version at Cornell that was a functional replacement and that could read the AT&T ASCII database and compile them properly. (I don't remember if Pavel's version could take the AT&T binary versions). I had obtained Pavel's version and we were shipping that as our terminfo/lib implementation on the Masscomp boxes and were switching our code to use it, as we had not yet signed a System V license and were shipping on a System III based one. Steve started to include Pavel's library in the CCA version, which he got from me. =E1=90=A7 On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 1:12 PM Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > Clem Cole wrote: > > 1.) Zimmerman EMACS (a.k.a. CCA EMACS) ran on the PDP-11 originally > > when Steve wrote it at MIT. > > I have this on the origin of Montgomery and Zimmerman Emacs: > > "[Montgomery's] emacs implementation was begun in 1979, after having > left MIT. I made it freely available to people INSIDE of Bell Labs, > and it was widely used. It was never officially "released" from Bell > Labs." > > "Unfortunately, several copies did get out during that time, mainly > due to people who left Bell Labs to return to school or gave copies to > friends. When Zimmerman modified one of those copies as the original > basis for CCA emacs, AT&T and CCA had a prolonged debate over it. > Eventually the matter was resolved when Zimmerman replaced the last of > my code" > > > https://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/emacs-history/blob/sources/Usenet/net.em= acs/btl-emacs-2.txt > --00000000000051c39d058b0f9b3d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Interesting and that sounds quite plausible.=C2=A0 =C2= =A0CCA sold it at one point.=C2=A0 Masscomp (because Steve was working for = us) got a license and a redistribution license.=C2=A0 =C2=A0IIRC: we could = redistribute the binary for free as long as CCA got Steve's changes bac= k.

Steve definitely did the terminfo/lib work for CCA = Emacs at Masscomp, as I had pointed out that AT&T was moving to terminf= o but was locking it up inside of the System V (AT&T 'consider it s= tandard' stuff - much to a number of their own people telling them not = too).=C2=A0 =C2=A0Pavel ?? Curtis I think ?? - I've forgotten his last = name -=C2=A0 had written a new uncontaminated version at Cornell that was a= functional replacement and that could read the AT&T ASCII database and= compile them properly.=C2=A0 =C2=A0(I don't remember if Pavel's ve= rsion could take the AT&T binary versions).=C2=A0 I had obtained Pavel&= #39;s version and we were shipping that as our terminfo/lib implementation = on the Masscomp boxes and were switching our code to use it, as we had not = yet signed a System V license and were shipping on a System III based one.= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Steve started to include Pavel's library in the CCA versi= on, which he got from me.=C2=A0
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On Tue, Jun 1= 1, 2019 at 1:12 PM Lars Brinkhoff <la= rs@nocrew.org> wrote:
Clem Cole wrote:
> 1.) Zimmerman EMACS (a.k.a. CCA EMACS) ran on the PDP-11 originally > when Steve wrote it at MIT.

I have this on the origin of Montgomery and Zimmerman Emacs:

=C2=A0 "[Montgomery's] emacs implementation was begun in 1979, aft= er having
=C2=A0 left MIT.=C2=A0 I made it freely available to people INSIDE of Bell = Labs,
=C2=A0 and it was widely used. It was never officially "released"= from Bell
=C2=A0 Labs."

=C2=A0 "Unfortunately, several copies did get out during that time, ma= inly
=C2=A0 due to people who left Bell Labs to return to school or gave copies = to
=C2=A0 friends.=C2=A0 When Zimmerman modified one of those copies as the or= iginal
=C2=A0 basis for CCA emacs, AT&T and CCA had a prolonged debate over it= .
=C2=A0 Eventually the matter was resolved when Zimmerman replaced the last = of
=C2=A0 my code"

https://= github.com/larsbrinkhoff/emacs-history/blob/sources/Usenet/net.emacs/btl-em= acs-2.txt
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