From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 3fd03690 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 02:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id BA3A69BCBE; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:13:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACA09BCB5; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:13:09 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="lyAjlbXC"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6D10D9BCB5; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:13:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f179.google.com (mail-qk1-f179.google.com [209.85.222.179]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE32C9BCA9 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:13:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f179.google.com with SMTP id x129so4617066qke.8 for ; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 18:13:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hhT0at5QdCzK8FN9FoIdZBwGZTZCEDIWxAFYXgd9Jtc=; b=lyAjlbXCbT5MBmSlRJARepVCF9pxWvnmSgIbMgEwg1BUg0StW+692LrGgIgbq6ML2K uhAEvhQzUmbrdwPNPo6/udbU+Tf9cEQK5AOeW41MxScPJqgg9KpPqxg58vdVWlz9OZTu VFd9i1mPo763z3kzWJU6uv95+DIWz+Ewo0R4I= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hhT0at5QdCzK8FN9FoIdZBwGZTZCEDIWxAFYXgd9Jtc=; b=iFD15rXS6NQG2R7oIwpjar47CFfcZEZ71+YlFG4iZREBbE5AU5rt98s7kY9ixF46a3 0X4VmOuFK4Q51+ohUTcoD8c71JL/V1QP6nTHPGXir0Dkrqi+YKlwKdWJpuBkxN29jOP3 91WLz/I9kV5ewIEoF42WxMUh+p1vxEUqj49NYniivd8sjCMn2JJe5OOoY9jeBFl2Vnnk 0T+hp7rxTKUi/Lb+lSABLww/wx6Rzn9Kp/DZkIdTIgCNmeygvk21RuIi/HUGIbZFaLkl FKf8u7sFP17bzWjM5tPjGy8P9VNMd4WNVnFcN3SN30LBhBf+a59SIqXkdSVxiQcQa4Ky Wxhw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWQyHfPfwhgOrkLpIdrANAWy9u6CBLDePm/H9NDzRk27ax/Y08W yWsNQ17rKvgRJ3wVyhkTRFwgJJRIyyf/5ZLXtvuUrg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzZNJxoihUjT2844ZjYgUshbIqzx+XEaT8G7/d5DGdBbF+9Tet5Breev8n7L8Cb5qZV/4PfY7dzW5F2LNJGO1k= X-Received: by 2002:ae9:c003:: with SMTP id u3mr7167898qkk.133.1578535984903; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 18:13:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200109012830.GC16808@mcvoy.com> <20200109020720.GG16808@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20200109020720.GG16808@mcvoy.com> From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 21:12:38 -0500 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a54906059bab8c85" Subject: Re: [TUHS] screen editors X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000a54906059bab8c85 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" make a new command, don't break the old one.... maybe offer a way to map the new one over the old -- but don't make it the default. and my lawn was lush and green before the snow came ;-) On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:07 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 09:04:46PM -0500, Clem Cole wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 8:41 PM Bakul Shah wrote: > > > > > The first thing I do on a new machine is to install nvi. Very grateful > to > > > Keith Bostic for implementing it. I do use multiple windows ??? only > > > horizontal splits but that is good enough for me as all my terminal > > > windows are 80 chars wide. Not a vim hater but never saw the need. > > > > I pretty much do the same thing. I think what I hate about vim is that > it's > > almost, vi but not the same. My fingers screw up when I use it. For > > instance, he 'fixed' undo. > > Holy crap Clem, you need to embrace that. His undo goes back forever. > And you can undo the undo and go forward forever. > > Not liking that puts you in the "get off my lawn" old guy camp. Which > is fine if that's who you want to be (sometimes I'm that guy). > --000000000000a54906059bab8c85 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
make a new command, don't break the old one....=C2= =A0 maybe offer a way to map the new one over the old -- but don't make= it the default.
and my lawn was lush and green before the snow cam= e ;-)



<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:07 PM Larry M= cVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 a= t 09:04:46PM -0500, Clem Cole wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 8:41 PM Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote:
>
> > The first thing I do on a new machine is to install nvi. Very gra= teful to
> > Keith Bostic for implementing it. I do use multiple windows ??? o= nly
> > horizontal splits but that is good enough for me as all my termin= al
> > windows are 80 chars wide. Not a vim hater but never saw the need= .
>
> I pretty much do the same thing. I think what I hate about vim is that= it's
> almost, vi but not the same. My fingers screw up when I use it.=C2=A0 = For
> instance, he 'fixed' undo.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

Holy crap Clem, you need to embrace that.=C2=A0 His undo goes back forever.=
And you can undo the undo and go forward forever.=C2=A0

Not liking that puts you in the "get off my lawn" old guy camp.= =C2=A0 Which
is fine if that's who you want to be (sometimes I'm that guy).
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