From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,URIBL_SBL,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id dc3efd87 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 16:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E0A219BFA1; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 02:52:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B526793DA3; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 02:52:33 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="nRRwO1p+"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7DDFE93DA3; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 02:52:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f169.google.com (mail-qk1-f169.google.com [209.85.222.169]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7E6693D74 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 02:52:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f169.google.com with SMTP id y81so11278639qkb.7 for ; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 09:52:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=0L6r7FmEQBG3a8H4zWh2q0A4u9QUv/f8txsaeLEYnw4=; b=nRRwO1p+43n5SE61V1qOVBEXbqAfEL066fa3sGOe5Uxyg334YlCz4zld+w7YW6cg09 BP0hZzIo5N0EpeNm1I6vbpUD6itHunTbAqP8FG9NAUh+kNYetDbpXy93ndnWnutWAcYh EQiJq8o95LKVAJnkcn9x5WeGN9uK4t3K6oTf4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0L6r7FmEQBG3a8H4zWh2q0A4u9QUv/f8txsaeLEYnw4=; b=Q5BMFKVEEBur84ufNBFX7HIu7lLM4dJUfzYfgC/J3+u9X+MiG6XX1Ue0mNKwthz8NY h/TUYaUf5vnQPSetrjG5I1P/vVeylQt13bwEDGtLvidGHXDlZ7XZ8wVO5wXLPO3lfSIs xyo0WooxvZzi+pV2LgHaMPnSC5rqillZ0JH5U+JQSlFClKXBW6pJSUjTUZFbgyQWZWNt W9/3pXB5ncO9Bssy3M3JCfYDOuIZQx87XjMPsUMXI9zCFTHMw2nW6dt4DREK25bZHvLD 2vZmoGUxzgSshd+Obqfgsye+8aD2ZGwRXRe6T1ptyiesDSZmM88yc88yrhUKdUHmf0fc 9/QQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWq4j6f5WaW/M7SHKK3R0j2gTPBEy9ZGOCHaZD0enWPtv1jSXwQ nW4kbZ7duvnl2bVtk7DerUukcIxPA2yDjCr3iTVu7Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyVP1hnWTY0oVTc+L+PakoTjhr3XSmxHrAjeYKf0h53ZgQ/hdvrM5NWduhxDcMHwENMX/sjI7dv6oq1R4vnbrw= X-Received: by 2002:a37:63d6:: with SMTP id x205mr4833728qkb.25.1572627149647; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 09:52:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191029040434.GA29996@minnie.tuhs.org> <201910310751.x9V7pJ26030054@freefriends.org> <201910311410.x9VEAdor010114@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: <201910311410.x9VEAdor010114@freefriends.org> From: Clem Cole Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 09:52:03 -0700 Message-ID: To: Aharon Robbins Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009e916505964bca97" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Unix, IBM, 370 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000009e916505964bca97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 7:11 AM wrote: > Tom, > > Thanks. > > AIX/370 existed and I *think* would boot on bare metal instead of running > on top of VM. I don't know what, if any, relationship it had to the > Locus work. (In the late '80s I worked at a university computing center > with VMS, Suns, and IBM gear; so I'm recalling what I heard. I never > actually saw AIX/370 running.) > AIX/370 and AIX/386 were done for IBM under contract by Locus Computing Corporation (a.k.a. LCC) . And yes, most customers that I knew ran it bare metal. Because of TCF (Transparent Computing Facility), PS/2 based PC were clustered with the 370s, under a single system image (i.e. up to 32 processors of any time, looked to the world like a single processor). The OS looked at the binary and found a properly provisioned system in the cluster to execute it. So you could have require option hardware that only one node might have, and the process would be migrated to that node. It also meant nodes could and be added and removed dynamically. The ideas were recreated as 14 different technologies called Transparent Network Computing (TNC) that would end up in the FOSS community and added to Linux 2x kernel as: OpenSSI --0000000000009e916505964bca97 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 7:11 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
Tom,

Thanks.

AIX/370 existed and I *think* would boot on bare metal instead of running on top of VM.=C2=A0 I don't know what, if any, relationship it had to t= he
Locus work. (In the late '80s I worked at a university computing center=
with VMS, Suns, and IBM gear; so I'm recalling what I heard. I never actually saw AIX/370 running.)
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Because of TCF (Transparent Computing Facility), PS/2 based PC = were clustered with the 370s, under a single system image (i.e. up to 32 pr= ocessors of any time, looked to the world like a single processor). =C2=A0 = The OS looked at the binary=C2=A0and found a properly provisioned system in= the cluster to execute it.=C2=A0 So you could have require option hardware= that only one node might have, and the process would be migrated to that n= ode.=C2=A0 It also meant nodes could and be added and removed dynamically.<= br>

The ideas were recreated as 14 different technolog= ies=C2=A0called Transparent Network Computing (TNC) that would end up in th= e FOSS community and added to Linux 2x kernel as:=C2=A0OpenSSI
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