From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1338c034 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 04:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 745CB9C145; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:41:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C8193D74; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:41:12 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="b0/Lb541"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C373793D74; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:41:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f68.google.com (mail-qv1-f68.google.com [209.85.219.68]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AFBD93D71 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:41:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f68.google.com with SMTP id cg2so3751336qvb.10 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 20:41:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KH6jRJu0ZUhNuZYAoE4L4cDBHBT5q2VNL7fYvsNYtEw=; b=b0/Lb5417VRmj7PfgOL4Uf+s1NfjA7uw2WApYatbh/tQjXd3YxWkRlHIepkH1+T/rZ b6IsD7Df5hTiPByvaMlZiGHskkHPTAH+Rnsumcako3nNyhV9w2WASWlpFoiosBuQS8Ac enlftSRz6p6Ho6/0YwtzTCk5Xi0cwHKRGe/Vz0pZQFFyomOZOb4dr9eLMBcVp4f9k4cx RS8tnDA4uNb7M+04l3l/H1yLF1GtoU5oO5ZAYnxBys4WCy9RsWXioozvH//Awv6oEjpK FunroeKP51HStYcEmTjnLgo+XilalURmZkTOtToOxGMZ3a1Bohcmtltr803qPW6j2yMb GjqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KH6jRJu0ZUhNuZYAoE4L4cDBHBT5q2VNL7fYvsNYtEw=; b=JfXQyX5wtYTSTpDRKC7FZiwLJZHy62PzYLidagxhBGSHj0Cvbys7byaza0AWfoN5u0 k4QgsiKFAYlqG9kaTYuM3Yk1I5cD450bznK03vaVEdoMPB8UUdfqslrUB8v+tg5W+YRC E2MdQxjJNkUxLQJY/3qWKopWMUjCnscaBXCZJfQ119hdrV98l7Ak3VPWgEeETb35ck8U +zPthp37Zv+zJm+5ijq0nJsHCq5kH9XtTCBHGPZ9Y2CCT3hG5O3kiW8T9epZf8UowOb9 J2UsbDwC46o+2tcnji5DwjNiS/jnTK1deZhywNCaCb5jgTi2LCVLfFLw/AIp14FJDPiU azxQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXjCr7jNYTCjqY5cu1sVpPusYFh6+YRjPxvxz4p2o9k55cJPe0r YwmZe/zUKFDgts29pn8yQpvRL5YFDPZH590WPUmATA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxQRMicWdpo9JXhlUwUJJ9b0Y5uQuHF/gBKG3P6wyTN75dsBTP4f6PJeX0en/ulfpJVuB8nNlFmBLhuptetzbA= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:b062:: with SMTP id l31mr17739853qvc.43.1574484067911; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 20:41:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191121195327.0C30918C080@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: From: Gregg Levine Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 23:40:29 -0500 Message-ID: To: TUHS main list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [TUHS] AOS and IBM/RT [Re: Amdahl UTS, AIX/370, AIX/ESA X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Hello! Clem by chance do you remember what the error message response was? It would be interesting to see what phrases were used. For example, on the IBM side of things, a fellow Adam and I both know, coded an entire application so that everything it said and did would be in Klingonese. No I do not remember which one it was, and what have you, I only remember it surfacing during his talk at the IBM offices here in town, during the early years of running Tux on the IBM S/390 systems. I also find it strange that sometimes even Google is thinking in that langu= age. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 3:09 PM Clem Cole wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 2:53 PM Noel Chiappa wr= ote: >> >> > From: Arnold Robbins >> >> > The Bell Labs guys in some ways were too. >> >> And there's the famous? story about the Multics error messages in Latin, >> courtesty of Bernie Greenberg. One actually appeared at a customer site = once, >> whereupon hilarity ensued. > > One of my favorite stories of the same vein was a masscomp story. We we= re chasing a rare event (as I recall it was when we first were debugging Mu= ltiprocessor stuff and it a lock order problem). But we could not get the = customers to tell us about what was happening, since the system recovered q= uickly, but we might kill a process. We had done a few releases and make a = few changes but we could never reproduce it. > > I never knew who it was but someone ??Jack Burness if I had to guess?? pu= t out a patch with a couple of error messages in Klingon and dumped a bunch= of information. Sure enough this was noticed, customer stopped, we got th= e needed data, as they reported the error. But it was a high visibility cu= stomer, so the president (Mr. Potatohead) got a phone call. Fossil (our b= oss) made us swear it would never happen again, but he defended us to the P= resident. We found the bug ;-)