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X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Hello! Egads! I remember trying out AIX (On an original RT/PC rig) at a UNIXEXPO years ago. I found that the units were all networked together, and used the telnet command to log into them from the first one. Surprised the heck out of the sales 'droid that was present at their booth. As for AIX/370 I found about it at a different event that same year, And yes I did want a copy to try out under a certain emulator named for a plane and mythological figure. And of course as a guest under VM/370. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 2:57 AM Ron Natalie wrote: > > Back around 1989 our company was provided the AIX 370 and PS/2 source cod= e. This was a distinct code base from either of the RT UNIXes. It was= a pretty straight-forward UNIX kernel with what IBM termed the Transparent= Computing Facility (derived from the UCLA locus stuff). We were porting= it to an IBM-produced four-processor i860 board called the W4. It was f= airly neat in that the file system could support hidden versions of the exe= cutables for each of the different platforms, and if you invoked one that d= idn't exist on your local hardware, it automatically ran it on one where it= existed. > > The W4 was a microchannel card that had its own frame buffer (I wrote an = X Server for it) but lived inside a PS2, so during the port, it was easy ju= st to use the 386 versions of the bulk of the executables. When working = at IBM's Palo Alto facility I could even execute on the 370-variant there a= s well. The W4 kernel looked more like the 370 than the 386 interestingly= . > > I hacked on the -mm macro package to make it stylistically look like IBM'= s manuals so we could produce our documentation to look like there's. We = had to have our facility inspected to hold IBM's source code (I referred to= the room as the toxic waste dump). Our other joke is that IBM had a mul= tiplexed console that they called the HFT (High Function Terminal). When = I wrote the simple console for the W4 kernel, I called it the LFT. >