From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 27179 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2020 23:31:48 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 21 Nov 2020 23:31:48 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 641B99CC2F; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 09:31:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC7E94490; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 09:31:25 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="P7Z9H6PK"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3827494490; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 09:31:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-f177.google.com (mail-lj1-f177.google.com [209.85.208.177]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A9E493F9F for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 09:31:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-f177.google.com with SMTP id s9so13952927ljo.11 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2020 15:31:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=oRXVXTpndCi4Jo1b4ddPUWtBT5RUu5h4ONG9515kMGs=; b=P7Z9H6PKNIpkiU3MA8X3EMiRjB8EHo/mUaX17908RhrGoywf+2+sG5ERDmTElhtTe2 /wgwTYYo5KYAZKWzC0A5+0wog3KnGwl6rzmD5kSvDbbd2m4YVcnhrnGnqji09Qhx59xc ENZtE8XsUmkNfKHyVTFxKjC6E59+yvN0ReGvSJbk3jiL2WpGv+QFqYbOI76AG9WYppcj IUN/bvQ7rabmcTQzXKBtUsWvyQBceJoWX4UJNnaZOMmVCTSBmPcZY2s6ShZjvX8XhbOD gOr1zRVU4WjND1AOCRyAZvJKApxwbMhymncpVGGBT9MI1y99GanVlmNl+IIUpx3ZzGWh 2EmA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oRXVXTpndCi4Jo1b4ddPUWtBT5RUu5h4ONG9515kMGs=; b=EpBACEHlWZuu2sFGmdDjLgoPUe2NxgI5GCyzocYMDNU/esWTkQ24o+X/Q+gvXrNOx8 h22H8lsocVR01BZeI8/V3odFVLkyIvNIzItCKPhA/4f52e6Epp97OuOS3AWvHXjmUSI1 5IzITPzRbub16dGgZhtjBESS98/uQyAANh7wDnIiBL5V7ImJ3vzZ3MmKbtdf2b48WpKb E8DWV1ficje1rjvSMzKYbS0Tc9oUYKFIpDTYnA+mxYxsud/UsG2H0Sw7AcyqivehlLFN 5iOvlIOfdnA0Z53kT4d1ZJUPTf0zwQ2goo6ukQPrxCQDfmqr2oMcKqTmwdriAbtqUrlD wIRA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533iwBVPGe7+E0df2GkXBGHcGHFEU8TAoLki/UguOXdSmLK1LuEi 72m4JVkv3I/fyUKNebTCa8hbHR/SQEADunyF0EOhuUP3 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxRU5hIc595iDSWgjNrJlXL5I6Z10F7q9l4KfMrDg2qLkkJPQ4tm7um6rgyu24WXJMp3Ve8LGde/kqEg1l7xY8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:2118:: with SMTP id a24mr9316547ljq.442.1606001480828; Sat, 21 Nov 2020 15:31:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202011211750.0ALHolUI011814@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: <202011211750.0ALHolUI011814@freefriends.org> From: Gregg Levine Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 18:30:45 -0500 Message-ID: To: arnold@skeeve.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Package Management X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Tuhs Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Hello! I, myself normally run Slackware Linux. It uses package management in the form of compressed tar files, and a flat file store of the names. It also has a tool which when run will show the user what's there, and what they do if need be. In fact Slackware predates Red Hat by about four years. (Pat and his CS professor introduced themselves to one much earlier one, which was SLS. Neither liked it, and the Prof was convinced that Pat could do better.) ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:54 PM wrote: > > Things were pretty much ad hoc. Commercial software likely came > as tar/cpio tapes to install however the vendor wanted. Free software > was from USENET in source code, so again, however people wanted. > > The AT&T Unix PC (7300 / 3B1) in the late 80s had a file format > for installing software from floppy and tracked what was installed, > but that was unique to it. > > Package managers as we know them today really became a big thing > with Linux. Redhat's RPM was one of the earliest. > > My two cents; I'm sure others remember it differently. > > Arnold > > Henry Bent wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > I know I have asked this before, but I am curious about any new replies or > > insight. How did package management start? Were sites keeping track of > > packages installed in a flat file that you could grep (as god intended) > > somewhere, or were upgrades and additions simply done without significant > > announcement? At what point did someone decide, 'Hey, we need to have a > > central way to track additional software"? > > > > I know of DEC's setld and SGI's inst in the latter half of the '80s. What > > was the mechanism before that? > > > > -Henry >