From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 47c1f1ec for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 06:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CA65F9BBF6; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 16:05:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725A89BB67; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 16:05:39 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="AD+hKj8r"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D63219BB67; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 16:05:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f172.google.com (mail-qt1-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F86E9B684 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 16:05:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f172.google.com with SMTP id v38so20299315qtb.0 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 23:05:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iiY7V3UyeUts382G10HaUwm54sd+schdF+pXXXjzpN0=; b=AD+hKj8rELSTo95EciAuclHitJGwJvJzl832xuFgvpUurK7x34AaQuEzdB5li3oJac 3TaKxQWobO4cSLVLs8crlHnTkuGadYlTB/B973bR+iT1G2YjrmZkRsStMghhsHT2X+Hw qD6vhiScJOBpidv870MYy5GPrwusACOa4+CoBcw0gQTYFcLep9rMzoifk7NoPPRwtB9b 7qVMex0xqpjRI8sQ8eSd2beSZisvswrdJAa310i/wdneBR8ImOmJe05a15cTXKVNnixE lPemKwZU/PCDdM4gklJCeM3Z9qZXLBorhNvARPDspCa6WWs2Z7HpuSVPKAOxRYQboXDE l0og== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iiY7V3UyeUts382G10HaUwm54sd+schdF+pXXXjzpN0=; b=NNPk3NKObh98OSt1lpyBpRy7EaF460g0G2vgVh2FFP8LVWHvC7fW/P6on8XeV8kYwX Xuf55DvIOIg1suAIwA1mz0ezlUgUw2TNQSeoX/Jn8Rof8ewS6fdy2bRIkHZzioZX9cqo q3ZZJj4TSNuaEngUU3P5zhfU0xpZV5bB6F+V/qTBCmp/t9mlS0xYynLmjRP5/jzSwm4R 39ErWL08iPrquBzhjejALbzOSaevhzXQWQVCCJGMvbjyxp/CplyBIJPl5Opjxn5sKTcV yi8RQmWU+DCILLep7J+yWXBLpigoqNcfBByc3YZ33cJQA4OgaOgTXwP+8FKEG3gcvbip oAfw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXojTe1TNoZlP3R0WHXhIGJ9SGSl4azbhaglzD8B44lWFfhi7eR 0z2XU6zVOS288p1drzQ8oXF0bxxuKhN89IiLHDs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxsItAUzBJkMjkxaGhC1kMrkpNcida0XGhMySVhF8bWOyJhuLkfuKpLs9l3E2K4Rs4TwWN7BVUNfWHFj6zWMxU= X-Received: by 2002:aed:3742:: with SMTP id i60mr21294290qtb.376.1566885936487; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 23:05:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <13c5c36e-c84d-e020-d09e-51c8c502dc6d@kilonet.net> <20190827021658.GF28066@mit.edu> <20190827023913.GT13570@mcvoy.com> <7DB50A42-BBA3-4F70-BCCA-31FBAB2F1E1C@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7DB50A42-BBA3-4F70-BCCA-31FBAB2F1E1C@gmail.com> From: Gregg Levine Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 02:05:00 -0400 Message-ID: To: Adam Thornton Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [TUHS] If not Linux, then what? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Tuhs Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Hello! Oh dear. At the very first Linux conference in NYC, I caught up with the NetBSD group there, and suggested something-of-a-sort. Let's just say that the person there is probably still active on their lists, and sometimes comes across as someone even Larry wouldn't like very much. I tried again after he stopped behaving like someone from a movie we all know, and I asked again. His response was similar. I put it down to extreme jet lag. Adam if your interested please ask off list. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 1:55 AM Adam Thornton wrote: > > > > On Aug 26, 2019, at 7:39 PM, Larry McVoy wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 10:16:58PM -0400, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > > But I got to meet at least > one very toxic personality in person which immediately turned me away > from that offer --- and I got my start on BSD 4.3 with Project Athena. > (For all that people used to like to complain about Linus's e-mail > persona, I *much* preferred to work with Linus than with some of the > personalities in the *BSD/HURD communities.) > > > I agree with Ted and I'm seeing it to this day, I hang with some BSD > folks and they spend way too much time complaining about people. > > > Yeah, this. I don=E2=80=99t know about these days, but=E2=80=A6. > > End of the 90s, early 2000s, I was deeply involved in the Linux port to S= ystem/390 and then zSeries. Sometime, probably =E2=80=9999, maybe =E2=80= =9900, I went to a Linux conference in Atlanta; I talked a little about Lin= ux on S/390 and the things we were looking for help with. > > And I went to the NetBSD booth. I mean, even then, NetBSD=E2=80=99s thin= g was that it ran on all sorts of architectures. So I introduced myself, t= o say, =E2=80=9Chey, if you guys want a development environment to hammer o= ut a S/390 port, I can probably hook you up.=E2=80=9D What I got was a bti= ter rant about Linux=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Cso-called portability=E2=80=9D and = I was basically told to FOAD. > > That was=E2=80=A6quite a surprise, having been working in a mostly-suppor= tive community, albeit one in which the manufacturer was pretty dubious abo= ut the port. > > Adam