From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b851cf06 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 597EB94923; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 20:36:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B8E948F0; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 20:35:33 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="FnD2wejP"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 05797948F1; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 20:35:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ot1-f54.google.com (mail-ot1-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 205EF948F0 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 20:35:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ot1-f54.google.com with SMTP id f23so11400338otl.9 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 03:35:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1CxA0TMpx3BhXIS0D+sFFDJpbCxtkblA9PIDyl9c0+g=; b=FnD2wejPUFUqerVGp5KLghrF5yE35t4fsRmMUD4axZGJgIIP1CyPEieSiNUuqkNwfM cyoRLjfOQPDeVln0DPKXp/mNTP6NK94yi+RvSlOOEjihCo38m/Z92nIhTtqq8hZfqqNY sryyZ+JtjtefpmBDEN7mFJc61IFkRWnWFnHde3DLSOcOhPmDgwfAy3X9z+BKdYp8buYL Gt8B551bjfOLiutgnvP7h0pwEn7trAnnHdQIFj0YfBOyYsTALoycU3XQQotgzdFAogNF znkR9kkp/ejwBpT0bKDkNlwN8cixRcf0F0ivNJBzwaxY2hPsszUALmp6qHzJ4qSie1lR dd0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1CxA0TMpx3BhXIS0D+sFFDJpbCxtkblA9PIDyl9c0+g=; b=qrYfyAWMM6bzNVHbulKZDxbW+x0vPkmjMq2dqjQVU0HZBzVByIe9xQpICpbk/l09b0 qcaIb0Ffxx5bM3xmVcsgcmcvocOupvd9q9Ofe0L2yORhypwNo8mlGq4Rv4iaHFoldqj6 vz8JSvRm5UUXFRA/9O/Hg+wjQ149BflS+LyRlUXMUWRglx0VR4My/vWJMZ255sagABvt dDF/QFKXst2Eg18u7l2VQTrlGt+5Nn9WTDUTojHkxP6Cn6ORNr3nrjadgMip+XuPWs2r Oo7HMN8aryScC+nSi8f1N13aLl78j9ceUIucIAs/kGIXPyFmiWtwXP2yKcW/No2c6Y+J Ls6Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWn/8IQLwNUYZQhqWpI5Q56FWsrywbsNezhZlzIM6a0Glg4R4RF Gw0o9rOfBOMtpenzPGrtasHtQept8cRampAZCEZMYDpk X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwbbXa5XWx4RbszuLSPU/Z1U7qqwFGELxCGbJ+hAl5yTAfHZYXlmWQPC2ppLdOqfDnsn/JvPk+Sz1zWsTMV5/k= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:1107:: with SMTP id w7mr40909981otq.14.1556620527931; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 03:35:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a4a:6811:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 03:35:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20190430072449.GA79218@wopr> References: <20190428165452.9BB414422F@lignose.oclsc.org> <97e93751-6e2f-a120-2159-0fb0246ad683@gmail.com> <20190429180512.q2jrlsyhvb7cx4ev@h-174-65.A328.priv.bahnhof.se> <20190430064408.ry56lmufdgq7uaut@h-174-65.A328.priv.bahnhof.se> <20190430072449.GA79218@wopr> From: Wesley Parish Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 22:35:27 +1200 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Michael_Kj=C3=B6rling?= , tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [TUHS] A question about ls(1) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" I find it ironical; I put some thought into the problem of making a very small Office Suite a while ago, and concluded that I could make the text and spreadsheet and database apps dependent on the database manager foundation, while making the display apps and the layout apps (for things such as presentation and desktop publishing) dependent on a web browser layer. The native file format for such a miniature office suite would've been the database file format, with options to export to other file formats. I couldn't see how I could've escaped XML though for reduction into various display options. It's big, it's not as precise as TeX, but it's a lot more widely used. FWVVLIW ... Wesley Parish On 4/30/19, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 06:44:08AM +0000, Michael Kj=C3=B6rling wrote: >> >> At least OpenDocument is an ISO standard; > > So is "Office Open XML"; a sufficiently large campaign fund is > indistinguishable from a standards committee. > >> I could be wrong, but I don't _think_ that SQLite has reached quite >> that level of adoption. > > Every Android device, iPhone/iPad, Chrome or Firefox installation, > Windows 10 computer or Red Hat Enterprise Linux installation uses > SQLite. Also, the Library of Congress considers it as good as XML as a > storage format. It is fairly certain that SQLite is wider-adopted than > OpenDocument -- or at least wider-deployed. > > I'd argue that SQLite files and XML documents both suffer from the same > problem, in that (during normal use) you have to load the whole thing in > order to use it effectively. In other words, they don't play well with > pipes. > > But for a document format, maybe the Unix Nature is less of a concern. > > khm >