From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f31a15b1 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 06:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 44FC49B906; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 16:14:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6892B9478E; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 16:13:32 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="Rym9yv5E"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 761CD9478E; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 16:13:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ot1-f53.google.com (mail-ot1-f53.google.com [209.85.210.53]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F405F93D23 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 16:13:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ot1-f53.google.com with SMTP id 21so31363008otj.11 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 23:13:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=N/r7zM0zmsrcqNagHsyPAQkAiTPIVCm04P8jQpzHP/w=; b=Rym9yv5E/kIMw+6OVqU1TIPSX1YxK2LyFI5x+EOwR7v9N+Te98upFButsnK+AkvRdC XQubviVwfh3gz+q3l2b/AHXN3QqgFD2KgY15NtqU3pQBUnUkDAPGk7WeX4OiF/jJKdtp UAvz1DYnCQjWHdAWtyJu/aj+7cGaBQe949bu5e0tDt3Z3ZCn5dOPCYpGhw2nzcFzKUBa af3raD62iPa+cyD/4q/hdz/vL75Q68cQacQlwt2qF3Cf+Kz607gwgZfIEr2NJpn6Mu9y Nv2PttDql8t2bpxsXz7VRvBtNFULf6FrVJ8noerePiI4L1D/9gxBGNCqDzMtu3RtP6AH vyVA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=N/r7zM0zmsrcqNagHsyPAQkAiTPIVCm04P8jQpzHP/w=; b=lmSYl/bjLLF1CrPdIml81kHxYaaS/oARu8tivjkuhXSlqjX+UlI3CfYMVM56XNm1t+ 6VNTCYl/0Syxr0IW5hrh8Xz3yo4NTIqPh1nesqTtfc2Skzv0NFTR+lQ9wYq3JHav0b9t 2yGxO5LRyW1lx5XgTx5uaV7H5hQEJ9lZve2P2FGAny2nGAkXjeK8owcEP9PkVq8xdlv6 3nSaP/ZA/qHP63c93GIST/mSKrkQnoA+XTBEpK82A/JxSip7jDDRoZ1B2rqT3v28AchB 6XnAT/JNeIPm5thQsqNWG8/wsBp3xKddP3/tNz0iiupQt6jCRqzh5WGn1WDVAPrCmQCU syFA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUvgXEdPsiiIu2XyrkFr1stM5JgMITaP8tgQWfoUfFAUHi5xOfL CusEUaFBwRFJrjQf+fxfjH9+8bwZO0Kv21Yn8oE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzKZe4DfJYnPUiWmk5xE4w6eD9HEHqExxSZSpxoi8IB+QPx0Zxr2htPljz350yOpG3OInJrRXDi+KEm6fGvjI8= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:2901:: with SMTP id d1mr732455otb.285.1568441609245; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 23:13:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a4a:d50f:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 23:13:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Wesley Parish Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 18:13:28 +1200 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] My EuroBSDcon talk (preview for commentary) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" I had the pleasure to play on both a DEC Rainbow and an early Sony PC (both running MS DOS 2.x though the Rainbow also ran CP/M) in the early 90s. They could have been described as being only relatively "IBM clones", as their BIOS did not fully reimplement the IBM PC BIOS. That was the Phoenix BIOS's achievement. Consequently Microsoft's Xenix would have come in several different flavours, according to who the OEM was. I don't know how long this state of affairs went on for; I do know several computer books dating from the late 80s I looked at in the early 90s regarded this a standard, though regrettable, problem. Do we have any Microsoft Xenix guys on this list? Anyone who'd be able to fill in these gaps in our knowledge? Or does anyone know anyone formerly of Microsoft or the original Santa Cruz Operation who we could ask? Wesley Parish On 9/14/19, Clem Cole wrote: > > Slide 35 -- Not sure that is true. I thought Microsoft's Xenix ships > before Venix. Particularly since you made the comment about System III > The original 8086 Xenix was a pure V7 port, with a few additions Gordon > brought with him from Purdue (i.e. ghg hacks). >