From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: wobblygong@gmail.com (Wesley Parish) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 22:14:04 +1300 Subject: [TUHS] Windows roots and Unix influence (was Re: Happy birthday, Ken Thompson!) In-Reply-To: References: <20180205211923.GO13685@h-174-65.A328.priv.bahnhof.se> Message-ID: On 2/6/18, Steve Nickolas wrote: > On Mon, 5 Feb 2018, Michael Kjörling wrote: > >> Honestly, I think you've got the timeline mixed up. Wikipedia puts the >> Xbox introduction in 2001, which sounds about right to me. Designing >> the core of the original Windows NT would be about a decade before >> that, maybe a little earlier still, around 1990-ish. Around 1990 in >> terms of game consoles was the Super Nintendo and Sega Mega Drive >> (A.K.A. Sega Genesis), which the original Xbox was definitely _not_ >> contemporary with. I _think_ (but could certainly be mistaken about >> this) that Windows 2000 ("NT 5") was the release that dropped several >> non-Intel architectures; I'm _almost_ certain that NT 4 shipped with a >> bunch of versions on the same installation CD, and believe that those >> included both PowerPC and Alpha. > > Pretty sure at least PPC was supported by NT4, but don't quote me. About a decade ago I had a look at fooling around with NT 4.0 on the PearPC emulator, but didn't have the time. IIRC, WinNT 4.0 Workstation CDROMs came with at least PowerPC and MIPS versions; I'm not sure about the Alpha. Wesley Parish > >> Also, I think the original NT "personality modules" included OS/2 (but >> without Presentation Manager, the OS/2 GUI, so it only supported >> text-mode OS/2 applications). The way I recall it, the OS/2 module was >> a first-class citizen in NT 3.x, relegated to second-class citizen >> status in NT 4.0 (it was there, but you had to jump through some hoops >> to get it installed), and dropped with 5.0/2000. > > 3.51 and 4.0, at least, both had a paid add-on for PM application support. > > -uso.