From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251D926C63 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2024 22:15:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BB9436FA; Tue, 1 Oct 2024 06:15:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-x42d.google.com (mail-wr1-x42d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42d]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C8EC436F6 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2024 06:15:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-x42d.google.com with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-37cc9aeb01dso2652109f8f.2 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2024 13:15:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rikfarrow-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1727727305; x=1728332105; darn=tuhs.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=a1VrLEbMUxGMbuYwQyspA2BmCwFovELtIS/i8t83Yqo=; b=GncE69pidzXG11xCP+PowKNL04wIUfGLKodxbCQ5vxGJ/Ecy4VqrYMAcn5rX4Ilp8H XIcGCqoOynEuV3YqlVhvROW2jVMD+USwTJcFLS2rzkjSaMZ77vehNY29wNf6q3Te6Wjh scvUiQni1+Ypfn6gGhG/OtETATt3Gn39NvFTU8XfJBm2cd3k+1LDItHAERiMiRWg1vWE IRiMoJlyZfdZXywreWAucWgImZKtApVGV4Bqdv09xYJR2gLZZ5UVEapiH4ZnMnsiW439 dvCTsFpk7twnQe5oN3qce6+YyTlvwRLQjxsor40AFyOO99e/nPgE1a6myk3BsKm1OGsn A/0w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1727727305; x=1728332105; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=a1VrLEbMUxGMbuYwQyspA2BmCwFovELtIS/i8t83Yqo=; b=u8qqmB+nL0Nx2sCHeN7W7HKIlVUZrjCsTL7WsCf0pb/7knPd/JTM1BXsnT6QxjYYk9 zFYCuFvkL2SLoA9EazMuOQC1q2Q1Y6ugu7EfinlrPLEqlf7YDVeRf0w6+X0nRhHzuoyu DOJbMFgabL89FZJZFTzUkSbVY5VKUlyqw5pKH44jrkKp/iRcLxXOZLaLGtW9LZ094LZJ Q9uLZqsLY0hmLKIrOHruJuyWNQICxnECu+UEnWP7UF5buXtKDTGZPF0mU9PMmVTnoHd6 JZsD8OmF84Zhqjs/H5Uj8h66Fft9ldijkl5ykjSGup7R1CGA+GclJsdRpBMnYCkObHuV pLDw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCVQmCaOBBqYWQLSSS/SkXYo++2LfuaZ/WjvQVC0JgpTDU0lq5pHbuP/5jc8TUnp4ydsNHlZ@tuhs.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz4lcZKZ4ayQbx+Ifq5aNs/C9PmuHWp/XtrR03Z1O5FxoKvc6Sg JyO4MMgsoBn/JVjQByWTHKjysdvBrGy2uPsrDDRSpH48P7j4CTW9ylPCLCi1kEg969kYhcD7vWl 0Zt/4PUOOpRl4/0aS9/7XcaVUnlBIPeRIVuGnjA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGJhVxEVZiNBO1uJUz2OzgHtkxr3jYx/dvQdivJsMMWiWxCW1kz8egUFIS+Fx+Wf2d/E3sx0YGMEe9ofjAy9m8= X-Received: by 2002:adf:a2de:0:b0:37c:cd71:2b96 with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-37cd5ae07a7mr7169490f8f.36.1727727304444; Mon, 30 Sep 2024 13:15:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240930191216.tIpea9lo@steffen%sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: <20240930191216.tIpea9lo@steffen%sdaoden.eu> From: Rik Farrow Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2024 13:14:48 -0700 Message-ID: To: Rob Pike , Douglas McIlroy , TUHS main list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000402c5c06235bdcc3" Message-ID-Hash: LEQXGZEOUOACIQZT7EPNZPOXHE2VXNJG X-Message-ID-Hash: LEQXGZEOUOACIQZT7EPNZPOXHE2VXNJG X-MailFrom: rik@rikfarrow.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Minimum Array Sizes in 16 bit C (was Maximum) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000402c5c06235bdcc3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the 'problem' with C/C++: it's not the language itself so much as the people who are allowed, or forced, to use it. Many, if not all, of the people on this list have worked with great programmers, when most programmers are average at best. I saw some terrible things back when doing technical sales support for a startup selling a graphics library with C bindings. I came away convinced that most of the 'programmers' I was training were truly clueless. Rik On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 12:12=E2=80=AFPM Steffen Nurpmeso > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by > incompetence. > > is the signature of Poul-Henning Kamp (whose email regarding that > cstr list > --000000000000402c5c06235bdcc3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is the 'problem' with C/C++: it's no= t the language itself so much as the people who are allowed, or forced, to = use it. Many, if not all, of the people on this list have worked with great= programmers, when most programmers are average at best. I saw some terribl= e things back when doing technical sales support for a startup selling a gr= aphics library with C bindings. I came away convinced that most of the '= ;programmers' I was training were truly clueless.

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