From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22640 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2020 09:39:56 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 7 Jun 2020 09:39:56 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id BCF5D9CA40; Sun, 7 Jun 2020 19:39:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86FF93D56; Sun, 7 Jun 2020 19:39:32 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="TXJH91BM"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0442093D56; Sun, 7 Jun 2020 19:39:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ot1-f54.google.com (mail-ot1-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F9BC93D52 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2020 19:39:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ot1-f54.google.com with SMTP id k15so11246085otp.8 for ; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 02:39:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=XsW1fz/klu9qv+eX0IBQFWqqvw6gYk0xZJDEOVNDgPk=; b=TXJH91BMawRugqEyqrVJudgNWfUKnQ8iEnHJMmTxjkaDpgFVlMJ4JLYvzmsvM4+anb KbyzNSfTFSSBVFS+NNKkuGJ9loZSmV41/Ixs/riLelhTG4S+e7sBzaxCSuGNONEpBqwC I8uq1pW/LHpM3GzzAwELWdOm2NcikYqarPFLcequ49XKtk6+y6w78EUx5TmuY6LJzoH4 uEHENp1vaDERUMK0tZJu6/H2iPR2jhTfywph/ZHqTq1uu/5TMUeJB+JxjfjWa7cVT/ao wPt7zj1fF0Eka4xt7ZcXlQASL0nsUPc+uGSvd8atZGNLk1ITd7ANk9Tqz4Ou6uVzsesq 3MuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XsW1fz/klu9qv+eX0IBQFWqqvw6gYk0xZJDEOVNDgPk=; b=syXuyyaDJPwJHeB4cSp0SxbfBoKcMadZWzBOijTEFOIjVfZvPYVCWpIztDVPBwP6yJ KzM4lL/8hpH3zwJ5kvFc4EJ06nnBCLJGpH7fnXwoeCQ+tLxclUjwGiEaSRaAK2Nouyd8 62oLVsIaFOQ++Kgr+opsN8f96Ij8GDjJiJXP4Ex0nwaxHeDwIqNrBqvG4I+uYoOS4Vjj Xedk9Y9g41sZW5GbpCRJxeJqWBKayp4b6XTp0TvJ2LTvXoU1xdmofy+8nlyUsmOguj/N S5Ya9Gxqp7Ltj4IFMQcZae/70mGV0kEAdheDnytjhsjvnDajQ01zaCFYCnkjxyndnSCY zi8Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530YRN2t0B0BFbyer/RkA3PUk43gFxAk828/DFVTxKuXsVSxTG2h 4xgTAdaIxaiSTXd0kKmtLxTiXICN7g5SmIDxKK4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwpVY6G4CPdgqDuTbWwZVUncCQX9EFO+sUIb2Z8qiFkv4ANI2tnQryMoxxsfPIZO3ljw/qPTTLX0/Ocvwbbg9U= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:18db:: with SMTP id v27mr13416021ote.75.1591522769564; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 02:39:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6838:a491:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Jun 2020 02:39:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8a2e9b1b-8890-a783-5b53-c8480c070f2e@telegraphics.com.au> <8b8d2ff3ed704c5631997387bf78e9b7@firemail.de> <202006070557.0575vkwU011918@freefriends.org> From: Ed Carp Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 04:39:28 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: hJQmTeVyVL3PNEj3YyhZs4OWOmk Message-ID: To: Andy Kosela Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] History of popularity of C X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 6/7/20, Andy Kosela wrote: > Seriously, is anyone still doing any real development in C besides > kernel programming and embedded world?? Maybe I was living under a > rock, but I always had an impression that the industry moved to C++ in > the late 90s and stayed with it ever since. Absolutely. C++ isn't the panacea that it's made out to be, it's not "superior" to C++, it's just C with other useful stuff bolted on, but it didn't make C obsolete, not by a long shot. Some find the operator overloading and classes to be a lot more confusing than just function calls and such, without adding a lot to the language itself. Others, of course, feel differently. It's more of a religious discussion than anything, like debating the merits of vi vs. emacs - a pointless discussion, since you're not going to change anyone else's mind anyway. Lots of C still being written out there. My most recent project was writing a crypto library in C. Writing it was the hard part - validating it was something else entirely. One of the nicest things about C++ is that you can write your code entirely in C and the C++ compiler will compile it, no problem.