From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 31c89e08 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 15:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A455DA204D; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 01:04:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F5DA1C5C; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 01:04:34 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="mwqQeHQ0"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A3D34A1C5C; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 01:04:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-yw1-f54.google.com (mail-yw1-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B13BFA1C50 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 01:04:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-yw1-f54.google.com with SMTP id b63so14329262ywc.11 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2019 07:04:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=LOmKLD4ZW9SQVRc827Rx869O+nHE0MhpsCKpfl8H7SY=; b=mwqQeHQ0DKSG9N4UCApQJj0ZtbuqtMlPuEI7xu1vw7An1vT/wLWOO7/1v6lIQLdB9T WastzNSwcScwobGzcA65bkv2oSrSJ+16vsFX6bCCymMY5n/IuUDW6L+1JSBkLCDS4xb1 nQaSLNLOlhUVqv+70rGQuOS0XHRnmaJXQIEhysGEkOiDhbtW96ALNvYxIfl1Z22qG6/g 8c8LggkE0nRu0pAVUktXuO0pJ4EjUhN2P4TxhhdGPsWTRrTFNeoE05YuPboottU/6kqa g5qEpp5rnFfBQlfSdzffuJbPPnRL2NvDJir3+wxsDWAEPVOhyLr29mMmeReopd0kyNY8 476g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LOmKLD4ZW9SQVRc827Rx869O+nHE0MhpsCKpfl8H7SY=; b=RAyTw7VhW3TZnfSaUuHddbI6cDf9B+w6MGzT/PhuAD/Xh5fgIHHB/lj59eib45fru7 gj8XD1A8wmk0ztysQJv5LDegHaU2NqwKPeH0tWq8KRRgNma9D1gYFs3uCggNrexK6hvp pC1j6KycIT2+AznBadNH3CDHiFbMcNQpz9q7nrareY6QFsCh9EtlzJlBw81WUNm5GOwN 9079x5cnXVRyi4ayST9I4jJmtiQJVb0uoL4URAV4NdxFR0XpxRcKh8sLio7mufFg4ASJ vGBp4m7n6iNnSCoBzdNI+air9fmr/WtEe+afifzwYqyPLfhNLJwc7uORps6fyg5sdoZ1 8AjQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWYsCzkrTQA83iO66OrMr+81q5bR5WNaSWQxJ+haSC2E+1dft3Ec tjH6cTvsl/wJrlwioUo2lFhbIysP20tKGnnbSjh0R2li X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XU4q5O67deGle20NDyt9LeW8Jqw7bTXEGpY05ZlQrUEEhGVJtqt3sFV/i9arYP3FnN4XPVMfTtG/yH/EdS/AQ= X-Received: by 2002:a81:8a07:: with SMTP id a7mr54402329ywg.403.1546700670818; Sat, 05 Jan 2019 07:04:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:f305:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 07:04:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20190105143031.85F3018C0B6@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> References: <20190105143031.85F3018C0B6@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> From: Ed Carp Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 08:04:30 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fzYboh2wG9MRloQb0FOxrKggfUo Message-ID: To: Noel Chiappa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Isaacson v Unix X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" > I looked, and it too says next to nothing about Unix (which it describes as a > "programming language" - pg. 346). Oh well. Pretty funny, or sad, depending on your viewpoint! > This is really a pretty serious omission, given that the vast majority of > mobile devices now run Android, which is a Unix derivative (Linux). So just > about everyone has a Unix-derived thing in their pocket. To hear some people talk, everything started with Linux, and Torvalds is a god. Nonsense. Even iOS and MacOS are derived from BSD, I believe. I know that MacOS is (or has been until relatively recently, at any rate) derived from BSD. On 1/5/19, Noel Chiappa wrote: > >> From: Doug McIlroy > > >> I have heard also that Isaacson's "Idea Factory" (about Bell Labs) > > > Did you mean the work of this title by Jon Gertner? (I have yet to > pull > > down my copy to see what it says about Unix > > I looked, and it too says next to nothing about Unix (which it describes as > a > "programming language" - pg. 346). Oh well. > > This is really a pretty serious omission, given that the vast majority of > mobile devices now run Android, which is a Unix derivative (Linux). So just > about everyone has a Unix-derived thing in their pocket. > > Noel >