From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6413 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2020 07:13:53 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Jul 2020 07:13:53 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 241089C6B9; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 17:13:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB81E94588; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 17:13:20 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; secure) header.d=ucsc.edu header.i=@ucsc.edu header.b="GxO6zZbo"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E154194588; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 17:11:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f45.google.com (mail-vs1-f45.google.com [209.85.217.45]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1161293D46 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 17:11:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f45.google.com with SMTP id q15so9301606vso.9 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 00:11:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ucsc.edu; s=ucsc-google-2018; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=qCy1bHjTljZIJxzD4OBYtGJu23sSHEA8F+FEmhVHqSw=; b=GxO6zZbo/1JTnZE6xeUd4c5RZfzkPHG3p9nkeDUGEIVtFYV+i0yrhVh21Jp9MU4qGl 1rpNzGVN20pIMZE+mlqjlw4KhMGJlLGwdb4rflV9lJAD2liJ8RnqG2cyCMHFk0sKRpcO lorrdDJpxKUO13yNXKhNgsfuRsLqz4K96tqm6V9z0jdAiohkXYWPs0COaeIVflDyUR7i rCnAsH/mRTjOB0JbsrobB4ul9S10BkLMfdvHKQWD74VSrUpcrPha+aC5eotiOPsLguT7 GiMrqtlLpr0ojL5MXsIqVQsC33Hzdp/wwa8e0BqFtCY7G+lOszmqcYCqb0K2EP59CJP+ aKhQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qCy1bHjTljZIJxzD4OBYtGJu23sSHEA8F+FEmhVHqSw=; b=d5t9fDFzm8KBDGwPehzUBAoLKBldXRauj2SXpzUdMSlX0oBHabLZI+IltygsXBWAVd qT5V38rhS9RPx6G8S5s0VEXMcb2ccZ6ncHCA7EzvZaX267nvOCG0sL/j2CEmIqkIIW6l QIKdm/8F+3xKL2Ra61C56gRgQ2rG9RKnjO1MbzSg3q5DBHMplONk7MvbNdKgopIlur7q EuOKx50N64IFUtYl+uXY0Rz4ZWlbq1RmmcIH7OsIdvkh/lppxK4Ea+/wGDZYlsyK1Qk9 rpFOupgxx3Iw3y7QR66gbDQWeZVdvpe2cIzoBwj4RjmjJNklY61cgIzUH36LTFbtFjpL YhUA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530ks2G+Gc8Ce1E48cIraGfx6Ex9YwgKA+BXCtkQKJKFjb4dbiCH yjQwYGhG9iYP3ILyqW9QmOcg3vk6y0UXxbEAHG8B64JK31g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzpitS0VxDBUZtqXsPPp03qURtskacFFiYY2EaGO7QyobB1fao+buIr0M5A8A7sHpgekM8FAfoJ6FFjs49Oclw= X-Received: by 2002:a67:7ccd:: with SMTP id x196mr8987781vsc.224.1594019504883; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 00:11:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202007060651.0666paxk031885@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: <202007060651.0666paxk031885@freefriends.org> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 00:11:33 -0700 Message-ID: To: arnold@skeeve.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005aa38505a9c0968b" Subject: Re: [TUHS] v7 uucp debugging help requested X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Michael Usher via TUHS Reply-To: Michael Usher Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000005aa38505a9c0968b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I actually like ed and sam. I find it "soothing" to be able to manipulate text almost "programmatically".... As an undergrad at USyd EE Dept, the VT100s in the computer lab were often all taken, but there were a few LA30s still hooked up and no-one wanted to use them. I learned how to optimally enter, compile and debug code through a paper interface. It was VMS of course at EE, but when I started using the Unix systems at CS a year later, the 11/750 was so heavily loaded that "ed" was the best choice for getting assignments done quickly. Line editors were also much more pleasant to use over slow modem connections. I had a 28.8k modem but the dialup pool rarely got you a high speed connection... But back to the original topic... Has the MHSnet code made it into the public domain? Michael On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 11:52 PM wrote: > Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 10:14 PM Dave Horsfall wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, Adam Thornton wrote: > > > > > > > Since I find ed thoroughly unpleasant to use, having a screen editor > was > > > > a must for me to use v7 for any length of time, and s fills that role > > > > rather nicely. > > > > > > A boss of mine insisted that we all learned "ed", because one day it > might > > > be the only editor available to you after a crash; he was right... > > > > > > > I should do that... So far I've managed to get by with sed :) > > > > Warner > > > > > > > If you know the ex subset of vi, you know most of what you need to > know to use ed ... > > Arnold > -- Michael Usher Senior Wireless Network Engineer University of California, Santa Cruz musher@ucsc.edu 831-459-3697 --0000000000005aa38505a9c0968b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I actually like ed and sam.=C2=A0 I find it "soothing= " to be able to manipulate text almost "programmatically"...= .

As an undergrad at USyd EE Dept, the VT100s in the com= puter lab were often all taken, but there were a few LA30s still hooked up = and no-one wanted to use them.=C2=A0 I learned how to optimally enter, comp= ile and debug code through a paper interface.=C2=A0 It was VMS of course at= EE, but when I started using the Unix systems at CS a year later, the 11/7= 50 was so heavily loaded that "ed" was the best choice for gettin= g assignments done quickly.=C2=A0 Line editors were also much more pleasant= to use over slow modem connections.=C2=A0 I had a 28.8k modem but the dial= up pool rarely got you a high speed connection...

= But back to the original topic...=C2=A0 Has the MHSnet code made it into th= e public domain?

Michael

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 = at 11:52 PM <arnold@skeeve.com&= gt; wrote:
Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 10:14 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, Adam Thornton wrote:
> >
> > > Since I find ed thoroughly unpleasant to use, having a scree= n editor was
> > > a must for me to use v7 for any length of time, and s fills = that role
> > > rather nicely.
> >
> > A boss of mine insisted that we all learned "ed", becau= se one day it might
> > be the only editor available to you after a crash; he was right..= .
> >
>
> I should do that... So far I've managed to get by with sed :)
>
> Warner
>
> >

If you know the ex subset of vi, you know most of what you need to
know to use ed ...

Arnold


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Mich= ael Usher
Senior Wireless Network Engineer
University of Calif= ornia, Santa Cruz
musher@ucsc.edu=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0831-459-3697
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