From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 18369 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2020 00:47:27 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (minnie.tuhs.org: domain of minnie.tuhs.org designates 45.79.103.53 as permitted sender) receiver=inbox.vuxu.org; client-ip=45.79.103.53 envelope-from= Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with UTF8ESMTPZ; 6 Apr 2020 00:47:27 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D074D9449E; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 10:47:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E932A94484; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 10:46:51 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; secure) header.d=ucsc.edu header.i=@ucsc.edu header.b="YCzEDlgy"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6D44A94484; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 10:46:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-f51.google.com (mail-lf1-f51.google.com [209.85.167.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A684594482 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 10:46:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-f51.google.com with SMTP id t11so10408272lfe.4 for ; Sun, 05 Apr 2020 17:46:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ucsc.edu; s=ucsc-google-2018; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Lx6X7sM4/XFIqB7dCsvKrGIcSDwJWAnKlyF+Gs7quD4=; b=YCzEDlgy2bBXDQZi48m1EcLGbAfyj6Esks5U31p65ZWVjIaGTRlAZvosMEwSHIuiDO bDuW1Vsc9iu1lGeiy5/f+gPLhUVQvanK+kEMmQktJSKlN6xi+AplBB7WCt8TSUy0F0EQ LwWhi7df7H/QKNwzP9fM4IEX6hNKLhR3qiGVNJk7U/hUl6jaD6pzG5BAGmHZvTHHz/1m 7m+uNL0B3ZF9oTPcvBOGOl4tezZQinuvSnz3JawdMxCxaYdhpW2CEtYgwngdHMTF8BbF WqHMDSPoQxvB8EvmtlO/Z3SYEd0HYGl/QLplCGdj/lMvR8Vuca6NNZq1Rn+jUthOxblO 3X5Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Lx6X7sM4/XFIqB7dCsvKrGIcSDwJWAnKlyF+Gs7quD4=; b=kCSzk5a2VP6yO+osWvmC76HF6iDGxt0ln6FNS8FJbMvY7nr3oIppZG/askYmp9VOvp 7XadlNN4yxi6spXkDcxdRqxI/UXT+3En5GZVlzplaRVLby83iJsIwzXh1fJpfXpUDhXt 6EK0gbsMmYoVrnkOfHJP/TMikPg8jpygjQvfl39znsTStLKXVTqOm2G4plC/bmd7G5bu FcbbdzojnAU+5/SfDvsLgDnsYRgB6GVQXn2l7Goic6XkYvGEsN14X0mvYHuQPb+WCMzO wi1Z96zpp5WroMuttrKt+ywaw6Q6fy1iI90ANs38nY+DhYxUnnG3LjFv/eU7TXEq94Qi jviQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubSipfzjD5GBSehpwIr0fj8LDgKzGLHRdvpnHFgjREd19Rtj0d7 cAVdbWKUm0puU32RwwQbnE3u9RDSBl4CXjkDxX6xgw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKXfAOqVZIF0aUw0EyGC2rDbFxFr4Ed9jVmV8rGhkxyD5xXlLdtAvuTlVAvsCev22NgKAKQIf6mVe1M5ZBO2iQ= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:4143:: with SMTP id c3mr4997935lfi.131.1586134004853; Sun, 05 Apr 2020 17:46:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1jKkMQ-2hN-00@marmaro.de> <854f7b58-9ba0-476f-a7e6-8579f4a8048d@localhost> <1jKlvG-4JB-00@marmaro.de> <3A36FF0A-7617-4B26-B4F3-FC183BF9A7FC@ronnatalie.com> <20200406000814.GH25105@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 17:46:33 -0700 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ecfe3605a2949920" Subject: Re: [TUHS] First book on Unix for general readership X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Michael Usher via TUHS Reply-To: Michael Usher Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000ecfe3605a2949920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I tried an ngram search on google, and came up with the following: Richard L. Gauthier. October 1981. Using the Unix System, Reston Publishing Co. ISBN 978-0835981644. That seems to precede the Bourne book. Available at amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Using-Unix-System-Richard-Gauthier/dp/0835981649 Michael On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 5:28 PM Clem Cole wrote: > Two thoughts ... > > 1.) Lion's was not a general book. It really was more of a kernel > 'here-is-how-the-magic-happens.' It's still the best I know for that. > BTW: it did not leak. It was purchasable from WE. But the cost was high > and it was hard to get (you had a price you had a license and could not > buy/order it at any book store - I don't think it had an ISBN or a library > congress number originally). > > I know a couple of the schools (like CMU) wanted to use it for the OS > course, but there was some hang-up associated with it in the mid-70s, which > I don't remember - we did have a couple of sections passed out for a few > lecture. But because of how it was bound (and short), it was photocopied s > others have pointed out. > > I think Michigan managed to use the whole thing for their OS course, as I > seem to remember that both Ted Kowalski and Bill Joy got copies there > (although my memory is that they both had photocopies not the original > Orange and Red bindings). Ted brought it to CMU, which is how I first saw > it (and I think my original copy was a duplicate of his). And I remember > seeing a photocopy in wnj's office at UCB. The first time I saw > the official Red/Orange bound version was when I ordered it at Tektronix > from WE a few years later, but I had to leave it there when I went back to > grad school. > > > 2.) The question asked about general 'Unix' text -- my favorite is still > Rob and Brian's and I still recommend it (particularly to learn how to > >>use<< UNIX/Linux today by doing the exercises), but it was not first. > Steve's certainly was early and I thought it was a good explanation and > until Rob and Brian became available was what I suggested when people > asked. In fact, early Masscomp system's shipped Bourne's text, until Tim > wrote the original 'UNIX In a Nutshell' that started his empire. That > said, I do seem to remember there was another book around the same time > (79-80 ish) that had a light blue cover that came from one 'PC-press' > publishers. I wish I could remember the author and the name. I remember > looking at a copy in Powell's in Portland when it came out and not being > impressed. > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 8:08 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > >> Do the Bell Labs technical journals count? I have a collection of Unix >> papers that were puled out and published together in two volumes. That >> stuff was a gold mine of information in the 80's. >> >> On Sun, Apr 05, 2020 at 07:57:55PM -0400, Ronald Natalie wrote: >> > The Lions book wasn???t really published back in the day. It was only >> targetted at his students in Australia (though copies leaked out). >> > >> > The manuals aren???t really a book (and again, they weren???t really >> published as a book) and most of the prose on UNIX was more in the form of >> articles than an entire book. >> >> -- >> --- >> Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com >> http://www.mcvoy.com/lm >> > -- Michael Usher Senior Wireless Network Engineer University of California, Santa Cruz musher@ucsc.edu 831-459-3697 --000000000000ecfe3605a2949920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I tried an ngram search on google, and came up with the fo= llowing:

Richard L. Gauthier. October 1981.=C2=A0Using t= he Unix System, Reston Publishing Co.=C2=A0 ISBN=C2=A0978-0835981644.
That seems to precede the = Bourne book.


On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 5:28 PM Clem Cole <= clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
Two tho= ughts ...

1.) Lion's was not a general book.=C2=A0= It really was more of a kernel 'here-is-how-the-magic-happens.'=C2= =A0 =C2=A0It's still the best I know for that.=C2=A0 BTW:=C2=A0 it did = not leak.=C2=A0 It was purchasable from WE.=C2=A0 =C2=A0But the cost was hi= gh and it was hard to get (you had a price you had a license and could not = buy/order it at any=C2=A0book store - I don't think it had an ISBN or a= library congress number originally).

I know a couple = of the schools (like CMU) wanted to use it for the OS course, but there was= some hang-up associated with it in the mid-70s, which I don't remember= - we did have a couple of sections passed out for a few lecture.=C2=A0 But= because of how it was bound (and short), it was photocopied s others have = pointed out.=C2=A0

I think Michigan managed to use the= =C2=A0whole thing for their OS course, as I seem to remember that both Ted = Kowalski and Bill Joy got copies there (although my memory is that they bot= h had photocopies not the original Orange and Red bindings).=C2=A0 Ted brou= ght it to CMU, which=C2=A0is how I first saw it (and I think my original co= py was a duplicate of his). And I remember seeing a photocopy in wnj's = office at UCB.=C2=A0 The first time=C2=A0I saw the=C2=A0official=C2=A0Red/O= range bound version was when I ordered=C2=A0it at Tektronix from WE a few y= ears=C2=A0later, but I had to leave it there when I went back to grad schoo= l.


2.) The question asked about general &= #39;Unix' text -- my favorite is still Rob and=C2=A0Brian's and I s= till recommend it (particularly to learn how to >>use<< UNIX/Li= nux today by doing the exercises), but it was not first.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Steve&= #39;s certainly was early and I thought it was a good explanation and until= Rob and Brian became available was what I suggested when people asked.=C2= =A0 In fact, early Masscomp system's shipped Bourne's text, until T= im wrote the original 'UNIX In a Nutshell' that started his empire.= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 That said, I do seem to remember there was another book aroun= d the same time (79-80 ish) that had a light blue cover that came from one = 'PC-press' publishers.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I wish I could remember the auth= or and the name.=C2=A0 I remember looking at a copy in Powell's in Port= land when it came out and not being impressed.

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at = 8:08 PM Larry McVoy <l= m@mcvoy.com> wrote:
Do the Bell Labs technical journals count?=C2=A0 I have a collec= tion of Unix
papers that were puled out and published together in two volumes.=C2=A0 Tha= t
stuff was a gold mine of information in the 80's.

On Sun, Apr 05, 2020 at 07:57:55PM -0400, Ronald Natalie wrote:
> The Lions book wasn???t really published back in the day.=C2=A0 =C2=A0= It was only targetted at his students in Australia (though copies leaked ou= t).
>
> The manuals aren???t really a book (and again, they weren???t really p= ublished as a book) and most of the prose on UNIX was more in the form of a= rticles than an entire book.

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