From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 25805a0c for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 19:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E12249BDCE; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 05:29:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB59E9BD3C; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 05:29:37 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="WeOM2ior"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8C1FD9BD3C; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 05:29:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vk1-f172.google.com (mail-vk1-f172.google.com [209.85.221.172]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1599C9BCD7 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 05:29:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vk1-f172.google.com with SMTP id x20so272359vkd.6 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:29:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=5il5WcZbTwPyX3eGbCqA1apcQBfD6UNzDqL/kmRDAKc=; b=WeOM2iorqa+GRRmueSH4qcafA/H69k4yznFV3qsBBk+iiueQf1NHgBaweD9T2QElJt Wy6r+i2HrltharfQSrX+i6QPPBZeaVZPQAJUs9cdrbt5ArrNcSWKjYYZnIBCIyZ+qQ9r NFkFOp2NXxENTsGYQz2thO0+OrnDsWxzcN6XkxTfLf3z87Q6QvzIPFvGeAKyYwve/Lgv i/KFYba/oEb/ysaUdDgqvlQEQ0oOoHteG/Ne1EizSO4tgZN+kaaBBZwDv0av63H7EYZL yKS4sncUxFZz/DyInYOR1g5o4ElmbxXUydtQiYESQjB3Tlh6pj+gSK1w+JEXN7Jf2nyh c0xw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=5il5WcZbTwPyX3eGbCqA1apcQBfD6UNzDqL/kmRDAKc=; b=bN47608R9M8jGNIDJANDY5ABgyxCZbsW8D3wXnDuZPbP18fZr3vdycEDB/TeNX+7EP Z5Qxq/Qr55+4FrfLKwMKzpl/8abtO2ECZVGmCZBy79EatBn66jFuFa096e9GUJ3tAKQB 928jO9ZWCXyuLADpVloGKQY7bJ6w92lZOJDOKnXM4CPQHIKSo8hWVQ1KF/WDU8vf2tEl IgZo8EMyNNFWQjOnpyoT5/FCnIz11GUaoEvj2uZTvuS/ZOppGTS5t/noxqjHYJ9p8Anz FFLS1ZaNZZiFz4BDy+AWGEywegD2tL2mLTYMWq+HGhhEoCilDu/iggWzdzsIHm4o5evl jloQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWOawUTBI9YX6PrzCwpHLjUIjl1CehzWbLAOrg2PhgszguaqU5f b3UCrcKovYdci3mmLVnTDV/EkfQX6TUTDYHp/SlSJA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzKFFCZlvtwy7ye1zUB4L6ndO4XBcni8UzKTir6/QSVGMej0/8QkbEVazwpq/qgyAKF7mjZEkvflQnnjgdPlGQ= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:647:: with SMTP id 68mr3084131vkg.35.1567020574838; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:29:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190828172451.GX13570@mcvoy.com> <20190828181727.GA82704@wopr> In-Reply-To: <20190828181727.GA82704@wopr> From: SPC Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 21:29:21 +0200 Message-ID: To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b8157f0591326800" Subject: Re: [TUHS] ISO, OSI, and DECnet (was Re: If not Linux, then what?) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000b8157f0591326800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's a bit funny (at least for me) because I was talking about DECNET as OSI standard and TCP/IP and OSI differences some days ago to the group of students of a course on network operation that I am teaching. On the other hand I don't that book about networking. I'd like to get one copy bit I live in Spain. Shipment is not a problem but perhaps to deal with shipping procedures abroad is not what you have in mind :-) Cordiales saludos / Best Regards / Salutations / Freundliche Gr=C3=BC=C3=9F= e ----- Sergio Pedraja Senior Technician in Computer Science, Systems Administration, and Information Security. MBA. Qualified occupational trainer. El mi=C3=A9., 28 ago. 2019 20:24, Kurt H Maier escribi=C3= =B3: > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 10:24:51AM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote: > > > > The great Mike Padlipski said "do you want protocols that look nice or > > protocols that work nice?" in his fantastic book Elements of Networking > > Style [*]. > > > > This book taught me as much about navigating bureaucracy and the warning > signs of impending death-by-committee as it did about networking. I > keep a copy on my shelf at the office and annoy my staff with it > regularly. It's also a wonderful time capsule that provides a lot of > context about how we got where we are. > > khm > --000000000000b8157f0591326800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's a bit funny (at least for me) because I was talk= ing about DECNET as OSI standard and TCP/IP and OSI differences some days a= go to the group of students of a course on network operation that I am teac= hing.

On the other hand I don&= #39;t that book about networking. I'd like to get one copy bit I live i= n Spain. Shipment is not a problem but perhaps to deal with shipping proced= ures abroad is not what you have in mind :-)

Cordiales saludos / Best Regards / Salutation= s / Freundliche Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe
-----
Sergio Pedraja

Senior Te= chnician in Computer Science, Systems Administration, and Information Secur= ity. MBA. Qualified occupational trainer.

El mi=C3=A9., 28 ago= . 2019 20:24, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops= .net> escribi=C3=B3:
On Wed,= Aug 28, 2019 at 10:24:51AM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:
>
> The great Mike Padlipski said "do you want protocols that look ni= ce or
> protocols that work nice?" in his fantastic book Elements of Netw= orking
> Style [*].
>

This book taught me as much about navigating bureaucracy and the warning signs of impending death-by-committee as it did about networking.=C2=A0 I keep a copy on my shelf at the office and annoy my staff with it
regularly.=C2=A0 It's also a wonderful time capsule that provides a lot= of
context about how we got where we are.

khm
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