From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 5880c68e for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 19:26:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DA4509C0BB; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 05:26:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60249C092; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 05:26:09 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="UAu3hDN5"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A8B6A9C092; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 05:26:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f41.google.com (mail-vs1-f41.google.com [209.85.217.41]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 974A79B5BB for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 05:26:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f41.google.com with SMTP id y23so5250436vso.1 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:26:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=T44kWWHQrrmcu0akSGBzMs44aEPJtU0ow+rB0mfkiRI=; b=UAu3hDN5S/eofhSY1OKNAoeQHup9GIdkQZbUTf4X4VrhL2gQ5SkYa4Y3AzfytSs1PV zxbJ+0IZXbRoXT4M1CDNM0WmcgXUU/2ZwVOLfZi1Ee0094oTs+aPUhzITbOzxO1kO3Zq UD+3+cWMv30wjYSsa1XYK2PB2k1zg2ah5XZ+YjVqx8y1Hkhbz2XUOV5ZOl/bKnoifXE/ G00VTDLLCmr4BHWGaLvi04XQhrS95Tk/JXQdXIN64j7wTSQmWBnAPhONmtqCsFNA/SUY 3n/XI03smfMrnzIbkPstMU5/ybglueFlVIHks8Pn/cWJMQe0r4KeJRCDgfbuh2f2OLhD 6W1A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=T44kWWHQrrmcu0akSGBzMs44aEPJtU0ow+rB0mfkiRI=; b=QtETamscI7CYWHhuO+iOuLyzNf7KjO4ZORcOeMyB3Kbyu7NkN9QZ3ISBUT811QVdIN n4m6TbEhnRRAriS0d5NJeybbcvNdAr/X9KbwdwN6SQMX4bFg336k9/96/pEcYoCSH7KH 54qndxCn0XmZTL817QYc7hs5ifedf7B2zGYNeN/rCNznfGItWRSY/lUndWZhfpZkR/h6 ElH8WRtI5zTA/iK1amX0neSUEQj1slfbYlWDs0HNzhv5Gqps2nvLGUHFuYnQTTlCYQlu F/vNxHA1uryDIl1LBZLJpbIXo4clVM2MVAl+2vj/hT0uA6wJth/aO1Q/GNJlalV8Gpz1 DjRg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWyjTppRhV4E03yHTdK3pWRWLEgOhtuBdhCYICjof5mVnvCO6uF twW7E1RxP+n5cyYPuJqkZPyHJDM/dGqtCHASaU4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx+sPcnLBZ4JrMrMbzSoqKKz2sb4ndi3NhGj4udqcV0E3ZAeXSR/QQOAeKknhG66tWiV7ESEo8sqofSTxV9+1I= X-Received: by 2002:a67:e986:: with SMTP id b6mr321596vso.107.1572895563375; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:26:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <116B676F-5917-481A-9634-0E6C5F702B9B@mcjones.org> In-Reply-To: From: SPC Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 20:25:49 +0100 Message-ID: To: Bakul Shah Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000052e94e05968a49da" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Happy birthday Morris worm X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000052e94e05968a49da Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El lun., 4 nov. 2019 19:58, Bakul Shah escribi=C3=B3: > I am surprised no one mentioned *The Shockwave Rider *by John Brunner, > published in 1975. > What a *great* novel, as the previous of Brunner in the 60s. "Stand on Zanzibar" and Salmanesser are guilty of my computing career. Visionary in many ways. You've made my day :-) Excerpt: > > Then the answer dawned on him, and he almost laughed. Fluckner had > resorted to one of the oldest tricks in the store and turned loose in the > continental net a selfperpetuating tapeworm, probably headed by a > denunciation group "borrowed" from a major corporation, which would shunt > itself from one nexus to another every time his credit-code was punched > into a keyboard. It could take days to kill a worm like that, and sometim= es > weeks. > > > I read it in late 70s/early 80s and don't remember much of it but this bi= t > had burrowed its way in my subconscious. I have been meaning to re-read i= t > along with Stand on Zanzibar but they would be too depressing in the > present era! > > On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:10 AM, Paul McJones wrote: > > Another possible source of inspiration =E2=80=94 including the name =E2= =80=9Cworm=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 were > the publications by John Shoch and Jon Hupp on programs they wrote at Xer= ox > PARC around 1979-1980 and published in 1980 and 1982: > > John F. Shoch and Jon Hupp: > The =E2=80=9CWorm" Programs =E2=80=94 Early Experience with a Distribute= d Computation. > Xerox SSL-80-3 and IEN 159. May 1980, revised September 1980 > http://www.postel.org/ien/pdf/ien159.pdf > > John F. Shoch and Jon Hupp: > The =E2=80=9CWorm" Programs =E2=80=94 Early Experience with a Distribute= d Computation. > CACM V25 N3 (March 1982) > http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~margo/cs261/background/shoch.pdf > > On Nov 3, 2019, Paul Winalski wrote: > > > On 11/2/19, Warner Losh wrote: > > > the notion of a self propagating thing > was quite novel (even if it had been theoretically discussed in many plac= es > prior to the worm, and even though others had proven it via slower moving > vectors of BBS). > > > Novel to the Internet community, perhaps, but an idea that dates back > to the 1960s in IBM mainframe circles. Self-submitting OS/360 JCL > jobs, which eventually caused a crash by filling the queue files with > jobs, were well-known in the raised-floor world. > > In hindsight people like to point at it and what a terrible thing it was, > but Robert just got there first. > > > Again, first on the Internet. Back in 1980 I accidentally took down > DEC's internal engineering network (about 100 nodes, mostly VAX/VMS, > at the time) with a worm. ... > > Robert Morris worked as an intern one summer in DEC's compiler group. > The Fortran project leader told Morris about my 1980 worm incident. > So he certainly had heard of the concept before he fashioned his > UNIX/Internet-based worm a few years later. > > -Paul W. > > > > --00000000000052e94e05968a49da Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


El lun., 4 nov. 2019 19:58, Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> escribi=C3=B3:
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I am surprised no one mentioned The Shockwave = Rider by John Brunner, published in 1975.

What a *great* novel, as th= e previous of Brunner in the 60s. "Stand on Zanzibar" and Salmane= sser are guilty of my computing career. Visionary in many ways.=C2=A0 You&#= 39;ve made my day :-)

Excerpt:

Then the ans= wer dawned on him, and he almost laughed. Fluckner had resorted to one of the oldest tricks in the store and turned loose in the continental n= et a selfperpetuating tapeworm, probably headed by a denunciation group &qu= ot;borrowed" from a major corporation, which would shunt itself from one nexus to another every= time his credit-code was punched into a keyboard. It could take days to kill a worm = like that, and sometimes weeks.

I read it in la= te 70s/early 80s and don't remember much of it but this bit had burrowe= d its way in my subconscious. I have been meaning to re-read it along with = Stand on Zanzibar but they would be too depressing in the present era!

On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:10 AM, Paul = McJones <paul@mcjones.org> wrote:

Another possible source of in= spiration =E2=80=94 including the name =E2=80=9Cworm=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 wer= e the publications by John Shoch and Jon Hupp on programs they wrote at Xer= ox PARC around 1979-1980 and published in 1980 and 1982:

John F. Shoch and Jon Hupp:
=C2=A0The =E2=80=9CWorm" Progra= ms =E2=80=94 Early Experience=C2=A0with a Distributed Computation.
Xerox SSL-80-3 and IEN 159. May 1980, revised September 1980
http://www.postel.org/ien/pdf/ien159.pdf

John F. Shoch and Jon Hupp:
=C2=A0The =E2=80=9C= Worm" Programs =E2=80=94 Early Experience=C2=A0with a Distributed Comp= utation.
CACM V25 N3 (March 1982)

On Nov 3, 2019, P= aul Winalski <paul.winalski@gmail.com> wrote:

On 11/2/19, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com<= span style=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;fo= nt-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:= start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0= px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">> wrote:
<= br>the notion of a self propagating thing
was quite novel (even if it ha= d been theoretically discussed in many places
prior to the worm, and eve= n though others had proven it via slower moving
vectors of BBS).

Novel to the Internet community, perhaps, but an idea t= hat dates back
to the 1960s in IBM mainframe circles.=C2= =A0 Self-submitting OS/360 JCL
jobs, which eventually caus= ed a crash by filling the queue files with
jobs, were well= -known in the raised-floor world.

In hindsight p= eople like to point at it and what a terrible thing it was,
but Robert j= ust got there first.

Again, first on the Interne= t.=C2=A0 Back in 1980 I accidentally took down
DEC's i= nternal engineering network (about 100 nodes, mostly VAX/VMS,
at the time) with a worm. =C2=A0...

Robert Morris worked as an intern one summer in DEC's compiler gr= oup.
The Fortran project leader told Morris about my 1980 = worm incident.
So he certainly had heard of the concept be= fore he fashioned his
UNIX/Internet-based worm a few years= later.

-Paul W.

=

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