From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6903 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2020 09:49:44 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 20 Jul 2020 09:49:44 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0C0099BA58; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:49:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6FF9BA30; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:48:35 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="G6JDfTP6"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0A4AA9BA30; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:48:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-io1-f66.google.com (mail-io1-f66.google.com [209.85.166.66]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E65C9BA2A for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:48:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-io1-f66.google.com with SMTP id p205so16870435iod.8 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 02:48:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=bxo9PkNFsrIul5165pj0F1wTMR5oZiLdJrRzXa5C8hM=; b=G6JDfTP6ftDbKcQ5uGZYTtNh4powJ6W1bsIQqq8BEigU1mtDsO44v+1OhdY8j+DPD5 3li4dnF0C6bBrgzGXA1exRnrkLGiyL3u13h8oq4aIwKWxqAO9OJRtre/UG5U0/M9AZYH i03YOOxb8wVzIPS/O5KPMmdMzzvmFz4G8lBKE6SJvpQ+kiVx4qX/sWUymFsWPFvlVk2t ruIKdV1Hi1ncG1IzYA5sI8eFUGBHrOwMyYSsj81uuQfEPu1hj2AQeWPK6EHlV3lI9W0p D54yJzypbvrHE4hw7rao1lFwRzEt+OJkP4BVwTaxffuAOluVqkX9HPVgWZ884FDuQcRf ARqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=bxo9PkNFsrIul5165pj0F1wTMR5oZiLdJrRzXa5C8hM=; b=H1vrUxMRQkwxciZNj0RtXdN1SgxkKEupWV/MJeXH6yxWwNgwIvspxX6PrLw/x3y+Iu /sxrxVqHmX013d7QDdqDkn91t2Phf0tOVzUIkMNrngmkCULdxNO2vJOG9OZFs1vDZi2S eOZM/mYM9A27gsVtGezwcEqF++T82xR5QcALc0dbVIgzZNqwe9YM3qEyYPv+XB8W2bn5 BjJAVtOBvLbUvFLLeUVDwfMbLqm53otkKft2+YuUeFxHraq1WZM4/OgDhOFa6CTBa9GX G2SgTuascEfBgF7pleRn7lgKyjvkpWI7gQKBL+WEZM+2gV2T61wpjricMNAHqnYaH1CK yfJg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533sazcjnyXh8ECVmRCLyqByai8RRbGOyTGtw3Ifqshsqe3vyAAd Ec43wOZWw2YB4BvrHtlDmeQXKHs//zaPLx4ARer2UQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz6rNs8Cz+XtuDxnC6PUpBING9ATs1MmMYkmN2mH0bao4BNIid27MuZRDy7rhk9qwoU1k+2cwFdsFoTX7vCAvk= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6602:2a41:: with SMTP id k1mr22633646iov.23.1595238510463; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 02:48:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ac0:c044:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 02:48:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <202007200847.06K8l8DF026646@freefriends.org> References: <20200717180831.5D4AB43F88@lignose.oclsc.org> <20200717195358.GA14847@minnie.tuhs.org> <20200717195718.GM18565@mcvoy.com> <77c0536b-87b8-44dd-96fd-76d8ceba30f2@localhost> <2135afdb-db52-05d2-9af6-24ad36367db3@tnetconsulting.net> <40a70393-894a-4b21-8678-a71bbca4aa69@localhost> <8e7efd45-a84e-cf20-9d30-8222357596a3@tnetconsulting.net> <202007200847.06K8l8DF026646@freefriends.org> From: Andrew Warkentin Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 03:48:29 -0600 Message-ID: To: tuhs@tuhs.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] A/UX [was Linux is on-topic] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 7/19/20, Michael Parson wrote: > > Maybe if someone could rip the 680[34]0+MMU bits out of Win/FS-UAE > (Amiga emulator) and patch them into Basilisk II (Mac 68K emulator), > A/UX might work there. > Basilisk will never run anything other than Mac OS, not because it lacks an MMU, but because it HLEs everything other than the CPU, patching the Mac OS ROM to call drivers implemented on the host. A better idea would be to fix MAME's NCR 5380 SCSI device model to work properly, because AFAIK that's the only thing that stops it from running A/UX. I did look at it a bit quite a while ago, but had other stuff to work on, so it fell by the wayside for me. On 7/20/20, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > ISTR that A/UX was nothing special as a Unix. Am I failing to remember? > > I had had a DMD 5620 at my job, and after I moved to a different place > and requested one, they graced me with a Macintosh. It could sort of > do multiple windows, but it was like having a piper cub after being > used to a 747. > > Other interesting bits for the Mac to maybe recover would be Mach Ten, > which ran Mach on top of regular MacOS. (Talk about inverted pyramids...) > There was also a Mach/Linux that I think ran on the Mac at some point. > A/UX runs Mac OS as a Unix process (its default GUI is Mac OS although it does also support a traditional X server), making it the opposite of MachTen. It has considerable integration between Mac OS and Unix, and supports "hybrid" programs (Unix programs that make Mac OS system calls and Mac OS programs that make Unix system calls) (which I don't think MachTen supports, but I'm not completely sure of that). It is one of only two Unices that I'm aware of that runs another OS in a process to provide its main GUI (the other is a much more recent Linux distribution that runs AROS; I'm not counting things like running Windows under Merge or VP/IX because those were usually used in addition to X11).