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From: Andrew Warkentin <andreww591@gmail.com>
To: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: most direct Unix descendant
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 17:07:50 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAD-qYGrQH6QzNHKGsO+Tn_B=VdgWCMpgbt4PmKMb4_2YUAh7RQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP6exY+-aNPcw+01FTiCKeiQLy+aQG4ECQM33A2V66hFqzpEFw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 12:02 PM ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You could argue that the most direct descendant is the one in which all resources are presented and accessed via open/read/write/close.
>
> If your kernel has separate system calls for reading directories, or setting up network connections, or debugging processes, then you may not  be a direct descendant, at least philosophically (and, yes, I know about ptrace ...)
>
> But your kernel might be Plan 9, which at least to me, is the direct descendant. :-)
>
Even Plan 9's model is more like "all I/O is a file" and not
"literally everything is a file", since regular process memory is
still anonymous and fork()/rfork() are still system calls. I've never
seen an OS that puts together the "all memory is a file" of Multics
and the "all I/O is a file" of Plan 9. I think the one I'm working on
<https://gitlab.com/uxrt/uxrt-toplevel> is probably the first. Its
public "system call" API (actually a jump table into a static shared
library; the real microkernel system calls will be considered a
private implementation detail) will just consist of
read()/write()/seek()-like calls plus a few support functions to go
with them; even things like open() and close() will be RPCs over a
permanently-open channel file, and process/thread creation and memory
allocation will be done through /proc (there will of course be a
library interface over this that implements regular Unix APIs).

  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-05 23:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1324869037.1755756.1717582639424.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
2024-06-05 10:17 ` [TUHS] " Andrew Lynch via TUHS
2024-06-05 10:51   ` [TUHS] " Andrew Warkentin
2024-06-05 13:46     ` Andrew Lynch via TUHS
2024-06-05 17:34   ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-05 17:51     ` Will Senn
2024-06-05 18:02       ` ron minnich
2024-06-05 23:07         ` Andrew Warkentin [this message]
2024-06-05 18:22       ` Jeffrey Joshua Rollin
2024-06-05 18:41         ` Warner Losh
2024-06-05 19:17           ` Jeffrey Joshua Rollin
2024-06-06  9:55             ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-06-06 19:49               ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-06-09  8:00                 ` Ed Bradford
2024-06-30 11:05                   ` [TUHS] syscalls, records in pipe [was: Re: most direct Unix descendant] Tomasz Rola via TUHS
2024-06-30 11:11                     ` [TUHS] " Tomasz Rola via TUHS
2024-06-09 11:34 [TUHS] Re: most direct Unix descendant Douglas McIlroy
2024-06-09 11:59 ` A. P. Garcia
2024-06-09 12:31   ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-06-09 14:06     ` A. P. Garcia
2024-06-10  5:13   ` Ed Bradford
2024-06-10  5:25     ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-06-10  8:39     ` Dave Horsfall
2024-06-10  9:36       ` Marc Donner
2024-06-10 19:40         ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-06-10 20:09           ` Marc Donner
2024-06-10 20:19             ` Steffen Nurpmeso

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