From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 21584 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2020 01:52:10 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 30 Sep 2020 01:52:10 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 627FE9CEFA; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 11:52:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C329CEDB; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 11:51:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A02919CED4; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 11:51:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pj1-f68.google.com (mail-pj1-f68.google.com [209.85.216.68]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 318AB9CED0 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 11:51:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pj1-f68.google.com with SMTP id jw11so220846pjb.0 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 18:51:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+YfqgC1cHQ1gGsTXbT527B087ozioubvsd8EAzI+HPQ=; b=D4unEV/rprnvfpIpnAU6Crg5JIqf2KqDdN5pPVufYz4HKyLf2sBzBQSvl7qcwZrNlX WriohQSrWvRmLKJ7oT5fvJt5Gdn28xTcpfVmzuEMLIAWe6MxNm7aX5NoRxrXZRhngDfq VEcUHhsJVv++VnhxYP5EvTHa+uyjdlONipesqnaHn727cwHBQ9A2ItfceSalcrIQTK54 flWwoaT7ZLm0L4Kr2PbrC98wFAmxEaQwUL0xhp2hHXmGcMxNzz5VFtVNfXjAI3DY6yZG 2VEyNMMOGFqOAH8KDyOsANul1eanhAjagXOqnRA8TbLxgGfhH12XhmxwZnuXmNNxbP7D Mljw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530qaqxUrkuweprh8cHuVu7e9QB2g38XVj55yqH2Wa03IkW6WYIg xviLos7SlZI98/dyVuE+qLfdUKlSfexQgf4Ppts= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyzusd9tEChoA2EmuGQjiKoN008NggzfT7CsssU0y/lILJnqrAwN6xGauMMlsFaf41qhFAOtfbddHQKuh+pddU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:c798:: with SMTP id gn24mr363398pjb.49.1601430669522; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 18:51:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200928232156.CD8E118C0DA@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20200928232156.CD8E118C0DA@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> From: Paul Riley Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 09:50:39 +0800 Message-ID: To: Noel Chiappa Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000307c6605b07e22e3" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Fwd: Choice of Unix for 11/03 and 11/23+ Systems X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000307c6605b07e22e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Noel, Some more info on my machines... *The DLV11-J: http://gunkies.org/wiki/DLV11-J_asynchronous_serial_line_interface is basically 4 DLV11's rolled into a single dual-width card; that's definitelyan option for Mini-Unix (which apparently supports up to 4 simultaneoususers). They are program compatible with the DHV11, so the driver should 'justwork'. The boards are readily available on eBait; 'glitchworks' (of thisparish) sells replacement cables (quite good, I have several).* I bought a DLV-11J on eBay so that's a starter for my /03 machine. I've also bought an MSV11-DE 32kW memory board. Peter Schranz has confirmed a modification to his RLV12/RL02 emulator to allow it to run on the /03. I'm all set for Mini-Unix on the /03 then! Regarding the KDF11-B: *If yours doesn't have the MMU chip, you're probably SOL; those are very rare.KEF11-A FPU chips are avilable on eBay for modest amounts. * Looks like I'm in luck! My /23+ CPU board does have the MMU installed. I also bought a KEF11-A separately. Glad my wife doesn't know about all these purchases. ;) Paul *Paul Riley* Mo: +86 186 8227 8332 Email: paul@rileyriot.com On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 at 07:23, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Pete Turnbull > > > The SRUNL signal that was mentioned isn't likely to cause a problem > > That was just a guess on my part as to the exact cause. It is definite, > though, that Q22 memory won't work with an LSI-11/2 (M7270); I just tried > it. > I didn't touch any of the other boards; just swapped the LSI-11/2 for a > KDF11-A (M8186), everything worked fine; put the LSI-11/2 back, dead again. > > I'll try an LSI-11 (M7264) tomorrow, make sure it's the same; it and the > LSI-11/2 are similar enough that it should, but it'd be good to confirm it. > > > Then back to trying to work out why Mini-Unix is so fragile for me. Has > anyone else ever worked with Mini-Unix, and if so, any tips? > > Noel > --000000000000307c6605b07e22e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Noel,

Some more info on my machines...<= /div>

The DLV11-J:
=C2=A0=C2=A0http://gunkies.org/w= iki/DLV11-J_asynchronous_serial_line_interface

is basically 4 DL= V11's rolled into a single dual-width card; that's definitely
an= option for Mini-Unix (which apparently supports up to 4 simultaneous
us= ers). They are program compatible with the DHV11, so the driver should '= ;just
work'. The boards are readily available on eBait; 'glitchw= orks' (of this
parish) sells replacement cables (quite good, I have = several).

I bought a DLV-11J on eBay so that's a starter fo= r my /03 machine. I've also bought an MSV11-DE 32kW memory board. Peter= Schranz has confirmed a modification to his RLV12/RL02 emulator to allow i= t to run on the /03. I'm all set for Mini-Unix on the /03 then!

Re= garding the KDF11-B:

If yours doesn't have the MMU chip, you= 9;re probably=C2=A0SOL; those are very rare= .
KEF11-A FPU chips are avilable on eBay for modest amounts.=C2=A0=C2=A0=

Looks like I'm in luck! My /23+ CPU board does have the M= MU installed. I also bought a KEF11-A separately. Glad my wife doesn't = know about all these purchases. ;)

Paul
Paul Riley

= Mo: +86 186 8227 8332

=


On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 at 07:23, Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >= From: Pete Turnbull

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > The SRUNL signal that was mentioned isn't likely to = cause a problem

That was just a guess on my part as to the exact cause. It is definite,
though, that Q22 memory won't work with an LSI-11/2 (M7270); I just tri= ed it.
I didn't touch any of the other boards; just swapped the LSI-11/2 for a=
KDF11-A (M8186), everything worked fine; put the LSI-11/2 back, dead again.=

I'll try an LSI-11 (M7264) tomorrow, make sure it's the same; it an= d the
LSI-11/2 are similar enough that it should, but it'd be good to confirm= it.


Then back to trying to work out why Mini-Unix is so fragile for me. Has
anyone else ever worked with Mini-Unix, and if so, any tips?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Noel
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