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From: Stuart Remphrey <stu@remphrey.net>
To: Kenneth Goodwin <kennethgoodwin56@gmail.com>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] First Unix-like OSes not derived from AT&T code?
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 12:00:14 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAD0_1ckJDDzXAF8crrXpH3U=+C6QLUh0hM0hphnG9XoeqZkujw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMQbRb0cQkeM6zJq21hTmbbMtgmJeHB8XfvqvQ6WQJBTuDAysA@mail.gmail.com>

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> My understanding of AIX was that IBM licensed the System V source code
and then proceeded to "make it their own"...
> The shocker - they changed all the error messages to error codes with a
look at the manual requirement...
> License the source, change the name and then beat it to death.

Not just error codes, also configuration file stanzas and SMIT(e)!  :-(


AIX wasn't the first (QNX, maybe?), and it was initially derived from AT&T
code, but it was intended not to be:
Someone at IBM publicly stated their intention, quoted in an interview in
one of the industry/VAR magazines, to avoid the license by replacing all
the AT&T source code with their own. Though AFAIK this effort eventually
sputtered and died in favour of Linux.

I recall thinking at the time that's a "once bitten, twice shy" reaction to
licensing DOS/Windows from Microsoft, "Oh, no, we're not going *there*
again".


I was (briefly) at Wang Australia (late 80's?) where we (re)sold RISC/6000
Unix/y systems, along with MIPS and HP. The MIPS agreement was local to Oz,
but IBM and IIRC HP were global. Maybe the year before the U.S. head office
filed for Chapter 11 protection from creditors... when that happened, I got
an apologetic phone call from my friend & colleague Ross Leighton who had
recruited me from Pyramid the year before to support the Unix effort he was
putting together at Wang Oz -- though it was too little, too late...

Stuart.


p.s. Dave Horsfall: Would you know Ross from Lionel Singer Group/Corp and
Pyramid Technology Australia?
I had been at LSG/LSC and then the memorably-named PTC BURP at Bond Uni
Research Park.
Recall PTAs books of customer SFA forms, in triplicate: Software Fault
Advice about which we could do Sweet F*ck All.
(until some pointy-haired boss changed the name)

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-05-15  2:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-01  9:30 Andrew Warkentin
2022-05-01 11:43 ` Ron Natalie
2022-05-01 11:56   ` Rob Pike
2022-05-01 14:03     ` Kenneth Goodwin
2022-05-03  4:37       ` Jim Carpenter
2022-05-01 14:09   ` Kenneth Goodwin
2022-05-01 18:08     ` ron minnich
2022-05-01 18:22       ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2022-05-01 19:49         ` Dan Stromberg
2022-05-01 20:37           ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2022-05-02  2:08       ` Kenneth Goodwin
2022-05-02  9:21         ` Dr Iain Maoileoin
2022-05-02 20:19           ` Rich Morin
2022-05-02 21:30             ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 21:36             ` Dan Cross
2022-05-10 15:28         ` Mary Ann Horton
2022-05-10 16:08           ` Warner Losh
2022-05-10 16:40             ` Heinz Lycklama
2022-05-10 16:42             ` James Frew
2022-05-14  2:56             ` Mary Ann Horton
2022-05-10 16:59           ` Clem Cole
2022-05-10 17:18             ` Clem Cole
2022-05-10 18:05               ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2022-05-10 19:27                 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2022-05-10 19:08               ` Henry Bent
2022-05-10 19:33                 ` Richard Salz
2022-05-10 20:18                   ` Ronald Natalie
2022-05-11 16:20                     ` James Frew
2022-05-11 16:51                       ` Paul Winalski
2022-05-10 20:28                   ` Henry Bent
2022-05-10 20:43                   ` Warner Losh
2022-05-10 20:46                   ` Clem Cole
2022-05-11 16:44                     ` Paul Winalski
2022-05-11 17:09                       ` Clem Cole
2022-05-11 17:35                       ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-12  0:16                         ` George Michaelson
2022-05-13  2:46                         ` Adam Thornton
2022-05-15  0:48                           ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-15  5:36                             ` Adam Thornton
2022-05-15 13:37                               ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-12  5:22                       ` Warner Losh
2022-05-12 12:06                         ` Ron Natalie
2022-05-12 12:43                           ` John Cowan
2022-05-15  2:00         ` Stuart Remphrey [this message]
2022-05-02  2:42       ` Phil Budne
2022-05-02  6:46         ` Ron Natalie
2022-05-02 13:50           ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 14:46             ` tytso
2022-05-02 15:38               ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 20:31                 ` Warner Losh
2022-05-03  5:01                   ` tytso
2022-05-03 11:35                     ` Richard Salz
2022-05-02 23:30           ` Gregg Levine
     [not found]           ` <CAK7dMtD08weh+97mx+ncrq0cxprKgke42C0vFYNPnBkd8Fx9Sg@mail.gmail.com>
2022-05-03  7:28             ` Ronald Natalie
2022-05-02 12:59         ` Kenneth Goodwin
2022-05-02 14:13           ` Richard Salz
2022-05-02 13:14         ` tytso
2022-05-02 13:32           ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-02 13:16         ` Dan Cross
2022-05-02 14:14           ` Miod Vallat
2022-05-02 14:50             ` ron minnich
2022-05-02 16:13             ` Al Kossow
2022-05-02 18:46               ` Miod Vallat
2022-05-02 19:54               ` Chet Ramey
2022-05-02 21:17             ` Dan Cross
2022-05-02 23:49               ` George Michaelson
2022-05-03  7:22                 ` Ronald Natalie
2022-05-03  7:40               ` Miod Vallat
2022-05-03  8:03                 ` Ron Natalie
     [not found]               ` <CAEoi9W4eD8AF=FwjMT-KPRfyYgD+qgVvE1u3sBwiovm4=1WWLg@mail.g mail.com>
2022-05-03 12:14                 ` John Foust via TUHS
2022-05-01 20:55 ` Michael Huff
2022-05-03  4:55   ` Jim Carpenter
2022-05-02 15:43 ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 16:16   ` Bakul Shah
2022-05-02 16:19     ` Bakul Shah
2022-05-02 17:14       ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 16:29     ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-02 17:42     ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 17:59       ` Bakul Shah

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