From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23016 invoked from network); 15 May 2022 02:00:43 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 15 May 2022 02:00:43 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8C17E9D3DC; Sun, 15 May 2022 12:00:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98EA993DCC; Sun, 15 May 2022 11:59:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B52AA93DCC; Sun, 15 May 2022 11:59:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vk1-f175.google.com (mail-vk1-f175.google.com [209.85.221.175]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A2B593D44 for ; Sun, 15 May 2022 11:59:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vk1-f175.google.com with SMTP id s68so5955548vke.6 for ; Sat, 14 May 2022 18:59:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=VVbtAKb8F74Xd32c/zOcpiYCZ+kilVx8HNehS7K9xdw=; b=CJBTgtvfc2JLoglKfGa82PZqq8JNLKj3RDBK7T2Bhgz90w3ADitMQqzCou6W5iZqQY dOZ+e/RfkIoopwuqWoBeLWtwRkYynndM/KRjeqewBqYU4cWAfUBm+4kU+W0SjpwX/rLo 3u8/fbQwkLxgWabIk9CsLXr6QD2Pm9qc0eML6iVCOypQDH4JPA1zQz0+wbLAbz48D/ZS CPqsgAV0WrPqlUr+A+9vJQ6/gFwdFt/7xEA7eAiGa5O1Md1f/AC2mZstfnQiGi36sGPo zRnxBRHqyuyrhUOYy0RzVfNl2djoYsVqdSLdWTE2nmFLmYa5nzvffk2e9C6eM6vNHmUD xXPw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531ECNpHi8XiEWWQ9YMvo4/Ql8V7jcDk5ddySu8Z6Em22+jGLwZT U+fK3BpZp+YRqZcGmh66UTXR81PwOaWuobLU5d8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzOpU+Df6ChZ6g+OWhO0/qkOSybvq0QofPAJEdkt746w/w2OLBVrknoaR1NnjC3tb6xLHdVnFBkyuP7kAoWPgo= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:ce46:0:b0:34e:b018:c8a4 with SMTP id e67-20020a1fce46000000b0034eb018c8a4mr4282831vkg.26.1652579981387; Sat, 14 May 2022 18:59:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <57977CE7-DDCC-4861-BBD2-843B9B9F51C2@ronnatalie.com> In-Reply-To: From: Stuart Remphrey Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 12:00:14 +1000 Message-ID: To: Kenneth Goodwin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c0eecc05df0342f0" Subject: Re: [TUHS] First Unix-like OSes not derived from AT&T code? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000c0eecc05df0342f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > My understanding of AIX was that IBM licensed the System V source code and then proceeded to "make it their own"... > The shocker - they changed all the error messages to error codes with a look at the manual requirement... > License the source, change the name and then beat it to death. Not just error codes, also configuration file stanzas and SMIT(e)! :-( AIX wasn't the first (QNX, maybe?), and it was initially derived from AT&T code, but it was intended not to be: Someone at IBM publicly stated their intention, quoted in an interview in one of the industry/VAR magazines, to avoid the license by replacing all the AT&T source code with their own. Though AFAIK this effort eventually sputtered and died in favour of Linux. I recall thinking at the time that's a "once bitten, twice shy" reaction to licensing DOS/Windows from Microsoft, "Oh, no, we're not going *there* again". I was (briefly) at Wang Australia (late 80's?) where we (re)sold RISC/6000 Unix/y systems, along with MIPS and HP. The MIPS agreement was local to Oz, but IBM and IIRC HP were global. Maybe the year before the U.S. head office filed for Chapter 11 protection from creditors... when that happened, I got an apologetic phone call from my friend & colleague Ross Leighton who had recruited me from Pyramid the year before to support the Unix effort he was putting together at Wang Oz -- though it was too little, too late... Stuart. p.s. Dave Horsfall: Would you know Ross from Lionel Singer Group/Corp and Pyramid Technology Australia? I had been at LSG/LSC and then the memorably-named PTC BURP at Bond Uni Research Park. Recall PTAs books of customer SFA forms, in triplicate: Software Fault Advice about which we could do Sweet F*ck All. (until some pointy-haired boss changed the name) --000000000000c0eecc05df0342f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> My understanding o= f AIX was that IBM licensed the System V source code and then proceeded to = "make it their own"...
> The shocker - = they changed all the error messages to error codes with a look at the manua= l requirement...
> License the source, change the= name and then beat it to death.

Not = just error codes, also configuration file stanzas and SMIT(e)!=C2=A0 :-(


AIX wasn't the first (QNX, maybe?= ),=C2=A0and it=C2=A0was initially derived from AT&T code,=C2=A0but it w= as intended=C2=A0not to be:
Someone at IBM publicly = stated their intention, quoted in an interview in one of the industry/VAR m= agazines, to avoid the license by replacing all the AT&T source code wi= th their own. Though AFAIK this effort eventually sputtered and died in fav= our of Linux.

I recall thinking at the time that's a "once bitten, twi= ce shy" reaction to licensing DOS/Windows from Microsoft, "Oh, no= , we're not going *there* again".


I was (briefly) at Wang Aust= ralia (late 80's?) where we (re)sold RISC/6000 Unix/y systems, along wi= th MIPS and HP. The MIPS agreement was local to Oz, but IBM and IIRC HP wer= e global. Maybe the year before the U.S. head office filed for Chapter 11 p= rotection from creditors... when that happened, I=C2=A0got an apologetic ph= one call from my friend & colleague Ross Leighton who had recruited me = from Pyramid the year before to support the Unix effort he was putting toge= ther at Wang Oz -- though it was too little, too late...

Stuart.


p.s. Dave Horsfall: Would you know Ross from Lionel Singer Group/Corp= and Pyramid Technology=C2=A0Australia?
I had been= =C2=A0at LSG/LSC and then the memorably-named PTC BURP at Bond Uni Research= Park.
Recall PTAs books of customer SFA forms, in t= riplicate: Software Fault Advice about which we could do Sweet F*ck All.
(until some pointy-haired boss changed the name)
=

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