From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 14342 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2022 01:34:12 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 12 Dec 2022 01:34:12 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F9442417; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 11:34:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-f41.google.com (mail-ua1-f41.google.com [209.85.222.41]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 773F842411 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 11:33:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-f41.google.com with SMTP id v4so2784546ual.11 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 17:33:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=itHlkpMQobix7SUIbGfGHY10a5GLWGZhjJU01/AxlVs=; b=TtX+8U2JLoiTcTZYeef9rY7hDQ4TKwzEPD/pJDUP4f3vh+peF7ldTWpYskVLxorXp8 dbMRGvtM15OtGIbIht0OlU1KzhMRKl4KmJLcUh6D8NpTSfUBS3YfJTqRRQDLh433tKmE x5WeoCXSxL/o/WwaKnhfjwTrY9H2tAYs7zuC9/stKaka91uxPYcP6dMlsm6X7ERgJ79B ohc8+LciqvGx+V9ZoL/msa+Gfp7gf36YKdSNKEV771DAx2HbdOQsq2l3vY4w3vhCXY+5 WMuEHVbImivnlMHY/ysCIBeT3TG4hOYur7R0fD/V9XKev3DwxCVzbPn1AZHAMswVSQ2d YBYA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=itHlkpMQobix7SUIbGfGHY10a5GLWGZhjJU01/AxlVs=; b=KPRXTSeX8/BdEDjoGYOh09+wwvtrbtmbfHRNd+nguWvySjwJqwJuHgfBajIHtTpzJj egyGruHqMK66QqXfVECa9vdLf77sne4qslpgk0gMqL9sT/xxKwe6TcBZCanHcGXW3+0/ 109Y87dY1j8lqGa0ooY1sm1psZWycvYme190kH77mkoxY1T0TMOk82wbQ70PoHdScS+V RMOMoshCguaw+tPQxP80WqpMGjGGMm7LSyAoCZoa4tc7VzIcqtgAAjkwQmJQoJKeqLyD 1NGTocENfhJYzNMBZpxnrFjhjAG3HgrBvnr3DosSREVnmKzD3N+FXmQbZEF3ZCOKbLPd HRCw== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pnJg/m3+G9CWxBzThSHEajqVzMf/sHcnv8j9oZ7mbbP7YE8ANkX 9w6pAdalPqZRpPjSWkYvBoANXpbvtidCoCXmsWpnEQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf6v6nLA5Z9NRfXJR15nzoc8WPP83ATsyzGZvtA3zx/ZeFwQoyUviZcHhmL00iLTdiKg+ScsTwyRNLlK9LCa3Lg= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:2986:0:b0:419:8627:a3c5 with SMTP id u6-20020ab02986000000b004198627a3c5mr16580841uap.56.1670808775432; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 17:32:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: John Cowan Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 20:32:45 -0500 Message-ID: To: Marc Donner Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008c322405ef977bfd" Message-ID-Hash: PIW7G7CQ4YLMAM77ZDUHW3KIXM2BYA4M X-Message-ID-Hash: PIW7G7CQ4YLMAM77ZDUHW3KIXM2BYA4M X-MailFrom: cowan@ccil.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Bringing a Chainsaw List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000008c322405ef977bfd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Will do! On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:50 PM Marc Donner wrote: > If so, please rewrite my garbling of Mike's comments into something > resembling English :-) > ===== > nygeek.net > mindthegapdialogs.com/home > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:47 PM John Cowan wrote: > >> Thanks again! I'll pass this on to Eric Raymond, current maintainer of >> the Jargon File. >> >> On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:24 PM Marc Donner >> wrote: >> >>> I heard from Mike Cowlishaw about the IBM jargon items "branch to >>> Fishkill" and "branch to Owego" >>> >>> They reflect a set of site pairs within IBM in which one site designed >>> and made hardware (Fishkill, Owego) and another site designs and builds >>> software (Kingston, Endicott). To the software folks the hardware world >>> was esoteric and weird, hence the branch targets for weirdness were the >>> hardware sites. >>> ===== >>> nygeek.net >>> mindthegapdialogs.com/home >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 12:15 PM Marc Donner >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Mike is an old friend ... I will send him a copy of "Bringing a >>>> Chainsaw" and ask ... I don't think he was in Yorktown at the time but I >>>> probably told him about the work while it was happening. >>>> ===== >>>> nygeek.net >>>> mindthegapdialogs.com/home >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 11:56 AM Adam Sampson wrote: >>>> >>>>> John Cowan writes: >>>>> >>>>> > Some editions of the Jargon File contain an entry for _branch to >>>>> > Fishkill_, defined as "Any unexpected jump in a program that produces >>>>> > catastrophic or just plain weird results" and attributed to IBM. >>>>> >>>>> Mike Cowlishaw's IBM Jargon and General Computing Dictionary, Tenth >>>>> Edition was probably the source >>>>> for >>>>> this -- it includes both "branch to Fishkill" and "branch to Owego" >>>>> with >>>>> exactly this definition. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Adam Sampson < >>>>> http://offog.org/> >>>>> >>>> --0000000000008c322405ef977bfd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Will do!=C2=A0

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022= at 5:50 PM Marc Donner <marc.d= onner@gmail.com> wrote:
If so, please rewrite my garblin= g of Mike's comments into something resembling English :-)


On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:47 PM John Cow= an <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:
Thanks again!=C2=A0 I'll pass = this on to Eric Raymond, current maintainer of the Jargon File.
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On Sun= , Dec 11, 2022 at 5:24 PM Marc Donner <marc.donner@gmail.com> wrote:
I heard from Mike Cowlishaw about the IBM jargon items "branch to Fis= hkill" and "branch to Owego"

They reflect a set of site pairs within IBM in which one site designe= d and made hardware (Fishkill, Owego) and another site designs and builds s= oftware (Kingston, Endicott).=C2=A0 To the software folks the hardware worl= d was esoteric and weird, hence the branch targets for weirdness were the h= ardware sites.

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On Sat, Dec= 10, 2022 at 12:15 PM Marc Donner <marc.donner@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike= is an old friend ... I will send him a copy of "Bringing a Chainsaw&q= uot; and ask ... I don't think he was in Yorktown at the time but I pro= bably told him about the work while it was happening.

On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 11:56 AM Adam Sampson <= ;ats@offog.org> w= rote:
John Cowan= <cowan@ccil.org= > writes:

> Some editions of the Jargon File contain an entry for _branch to
> Fishkill_, defined as "Any unexpected jump in a program that prod= uces
> catastrophic or just plain weird results" and attributed to IBM.<= br>
Mike Cowlishaw's IBM Jargon and General Computing Dictionary, Tenth
Edition <http://www.comlay.net/ibmjarg.pdf> was probably = the source for
this -- it includes both "branch to Fishkill" and "branch to= Owego" with
exactly this definition.

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