From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12742 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2021 19:25:18 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 9 Jul 2021 19:25:18 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id F391E94564; Sat, 10 Jul 2021 05:25:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F101893D7A; Sat, 10 Jul 2021 05:24:13 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="LWx/TATL"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7BA6093D7A; Sat, 10 Jul 2021 05:24:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f173.google.com (mail-qk1-f173.google.com [209.85.222.173]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 505C993D3C for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2021 05:24:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f173.google.com with SMTP id 14so10461452qkh.0 for ; Fri, 09 Jul 2021 12:24:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AqHgHcem+WQNPu5ja6nsg07TifXjL/vVlTfEN+dvZvA=; b=LWx/TATLZtufv93P4olkKJgx/GKk0OTC0Kx4tGlNa/d9oTpx8L8IvE4toSYSEhlBiV +RH8F0oyvJJw9nNO3a54qMNPPA08bk7r2iUeaPl2yKa5A/kXXF8Y+McOnKG9ygBhP63k EI5c1szX0h2uqH/61XfXF0M04y/E++y/+NzMqNBqtyUa4TGdjavh7f0WH1CsGGauQ4eG iwdmIzaFoBxERuTyxlJsANhEsFPS9lSSHlLgUU9FKnF/0ytcIthkqc0yx43EG+FaiWEQ bQ/eRva/Qt/6p/nku0XJtb+L0g7ZiwCNUPlIlbDECEsRVKrl5uSR7IDIVnU1rMa7Ilpq 16Nw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AqHgHcem+WQNPu5ja6nsg07TifXjL/vVlTfEN+dvZvA=; b=sWbpHAZL7OqrbNF9rNarzWMsDrzC6E3mAbTuj50nIjCoR4i09TZSeXGxcL9R0DtH7S HtACV/A/z9+nFCGtO2ZAlAFyR8P8xljqfMV+uVxlggj1MOAz80VVSAMwMsDZU0jhbMmO LH+x+HfL88KmtE3W2tISNA0WWk6lOmS5kV4U0qSPsdDV7dB57e5paUw4aTnvUVmM3h9H p5TOAX0Dh8viFsOusxV9Wmy08ZFxybF2Kmqusg4rRL3OoTRG1MB/iBmT1TDkEZYwXm0n 0YsPJ9dYK2qXHm8V/DDt/DI6S/z4f2O6R+aFcZRvRpDpsfqD3RjnUNEiWDvmxdWEfvFY VK8w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532hgStrSIPCYqSi9vWYuV/XcfLVxOspnsSuvPT9cCb5VzeziuYP BT+IIPb9Eg50fs7rV/gkJdQa5BI8QeSrD4ok6sfm3+Toa2hBP5Rv X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz950U/R6hj7p1sCA5RS/doTnf2+WPOZZ/UKSbYMuWZ0mI9DqaE6DHt9fLusSbDZgHpsHhpmZfAMlFS3G/Yhk8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:4e9:: with SMTP id b9mr38182792qkh.358.1625858648286; Fri, 09 Jul 2021 12:24:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202107090449.1694nbum2752949@darkstar.fourwinds.com> In-Reply-To: <202107090449.1694nbum2752949@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: John Cowan Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2021 15:23:57 -0400 Message-ID: To: Jon Steinhart Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002fbc9e05c6b5b7df" Subject: Re: [TUHS] The Unix shell: a 50-year view -- feedback wanted X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000002fbc9e05c6b5b7df Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 12:50 AM Jon Steinhart wrote: I not only found this paper offensive, but was more offended that > ACM would publish something like this and give it an award to boot. > I'm planning to send the authors and ACM what's below. Would > appreciate any feedback that you could provide to make it better. > I too would like to (virtually) sign this. I also point out (not for inclusion in your piece) that the fastest path to fame and what in academia counts as fortune is to write a paper with a superficially plausible argument that some well-known fact or well-established conclusion is wrong. This immediately draws the mantle of Galileo over the author, but instead of the author being imprisoned for life by the Papal Inquisition, the paper becomes the subject of raves, the author becomes a hero, and the discipline may even be said to have taken a new turn as everyone rushes to follow and compete. But often the little boy in "The Emperor's New Clothes" is either deluded or trying to gain glory by daring to annoy the Emperor. --0000000000002fbc9e05c6b5b7df Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Jul 9, 20= 21 at 12:50 AM Jon Steinhart <jon@f= ourwinds.com> wrote:
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I not only foun= d this paper offensive, but was more offended that
ACM would publish something like this and give it an award to boot.
I'm planning to send the authors and ACM what's below.=C2=A0 Would<= br> appreciate any feedback that you could provide to make it better.

I too would like to (virtua= lly) sign this.

I also point out (not for inclusion in your piece) that the fastest= path to fame and what in academia counts as fortune is to write a paper wi= th a superficially plausible argument that some well-known fact or well-est= ablished conclusion is wrong.=C2=A0 This immediately draws the mantle of Ga= lileo over the author, but instead of the author being imprisoned for life = by the Papal Inquisition, the paper becomes the subject of raves, the autho= r becomes a hero, and the discipline may even be said to have taken a new t= urn as everyone rushes to follow and compete.
But often the little boy in "The= Emperor's New Clothes" is either deluded or trying to gain glory = by daring to annoy the Emperor.


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