From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 1324 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2022 13:59:57 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 26 Jun 2022 13:59:57 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 936B540C65; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 23:59:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pg1-f181.google.com (mail-pg1-f181.google.com [209.85.215.181]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 617E040C64 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 23:59:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pg1-f181.google.com with SMTP id z14so6785187pgh.0 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 06:59:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7gK1cmfr9bzSVNAWpDa/HJFWyT/4BYeN7Z/UJyn63PA=; b=TyGG2vIKHgwuRw6Stozfrm1WfewCjHyGdKDO+SEeaAaggTHRtffvklmy/vk0E+c5Ca ML0/QvNyr/DNfJHVVAKZ49zvfJBAfgtwWlo5OT6bu2iamos7bDitDN2WRnE9WSahSXHT 2o0YZjPjDjumKaaQwFDIqYLt9r6L8TnICaEnjM0V+YWgl8s/TWQFAWD8p8GOJVfWqUXQ aDbxg2DCeNUI1PpLO9MiYGTzAt+E/WLIHOYrkC7S+gvGJ9crePuMAt6M9fqZkBfj0OdE cgSwf7uIVRtl6YHuP/Nen6W6648j6BmcJnLOz14zeHq3JuiKuy/Sg7wAbHJWZhuNueJr hPiQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7gK1cmfr9bzSVNAWpDa/HJFWyT/4BYeN7Z/UJyn63PA=; b=FqBn0EEOYYXE6s3N1/RSxNvtQL+A57ch4nF29yANzYnRrw3pSavwcSmHpPjsyA415L qya9Xvehdxsne3ff/zsHlUY4XuZJXXVxeSDfKZhacJ1v72Q3v405dsDEnIleZDPXdfBz WsOabnmIsN+Vaentuyn+BIiXfSHkp7Ou24RV7i0w71+T5QjFkHQlbANYDCypuHTR6/RC gXeXHVJD5DBeR5rK/2O92V8OHsMQSiUSLWY8vOAsSDJOhJehca3JxzINsjdzUhJIQ2Nx UOUQrkd+JH+QwndrK0lZOdmX8gTCoBVcaPMdpLHvl6AVplTAxRe/q539qw3RToSF1FzC Rm6w== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora+SI26Tu3MEYXbi/hCLlKRhuAJ5weswvMzmCB9n/+BHQnPF79za 1ypQi0n/RprWpEqJztSW80f+4GVaN9DOu2e8mqivsOt2keAK5Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1vfLOPkMprrRuijW7Yf+Y+sDzeSWcR9dMc5xvuRJFJbN4Bo6dtAdriZkZ/sHabrJxtOdEQtKodeVFPEwWvVD8I= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:1496:b0:525:24b0:8243 with SMTP id v22-20020a056a00149600b0052524b08243mr9551669pfu.84.1656251925820; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 06:58:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20220626021956.0140918C0A2@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> <20220626133552.GJ28639@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20220626133552.GJ28639@mcvoy.com> From: John Cowan Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 09:58:35 -0400 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b28bf905e25a3332" Message-ID-Hash: SPBAY6NKLNDLCY6W7K47LK3JEO5U4CPH X-Message-ID-Hash: SPBAY6NKLNDLCY6W7K47LK3JEO5U4CPH X-MailFrom: cowan@ccil.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Noel Chiappa , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Research Datakit notes List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000b28bf905e25a3332 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'll check it out eventually. $10 on Ebay (the cheapest per bookfinder.com) is a little steep nowadays. Maybe I'll spring for a <$17 new copy. No Kindle, alas. On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 9:35 AM Larry McVoy wrote: > On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 09:07:49AM -0400, John Cowan wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 10:20 PM Noel Chiappa > > wrote: > > > > > > > it had things called 'flows' which were half way between pure > > > datagrams (i.e. no setup - you just stick the right destination > address in > > > the > > > header and send it off) and VCs (read the RFCs if you want to kow why), > > > > > > > In that connection I have always admired Padlipsky's RFC 962, which > > exploits the existing TCP architecture to do just this. So simple, so > > easy, so Unixy. > > I knew Mike, interesting dude. His "The Elements of Networking Style" is > a very fun read but also, for me, just getting to understand networking, > it snapped a bunch of stuff into focus. I think you have to read it > at just the right spot in your career and I did. Great little book and > full of jabs like "If you know what you are doing, 3 layers are enough. > If you don't, 7 aren't." > --000000000000b28bf905e25a3332 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 9:35 AM L= arry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:<= br>
On Sun, Jun 26, = 2022 at 09:07:49AM -0400, John Cowan wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 10:20 PM Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> > wrote:
>
>
> > it had things called 'flows' which were half way between = pure
> > datagrams (i.e. no setup - you just stick the right destination a= ddress in
> > the
> > header and send it off) and VCs (read the RFCs if you want to kow= why),
> >
>
> In that connection I have always admired Padlipsky's RFC 962, whic= h
> exploits the existing TCP architecture to do just this.=C2=A0 So simpl= e, so
> easy, so Unixy.

I knew Mike, interesting dude.=C2=A0 His "The Elements of Networking S= tyle" is
a very fun read but also, for me, just getting to understand networking, it snapped a bunch of stuff into focus.=C2=A0 I think you have to read it at just the right spot in your career and I did.=C2=A0 Great little book an= d
full of jabs like "If you know what you are doing, 3 layers are enough= .
If you don't, 7 aren't."
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