From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 25122 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2023 07:04:46 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 24 Nov 2023 07:04:46 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41460426AC; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 17:04:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-x933.google.com (mail-ua1-x933.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::933]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7FA8426AB for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 17:04:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-x933.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-7c43d42e2ceso423841241.3 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 23:04:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1700809470; x=1701414270; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=d1+OXsm4JyvLZuTVNZeezcmufLw6MFzOBuCg8VP8UOs=; b=gUIzaERMqpXKtnUp2vQ7Be7BhlV8+/hiPcCRnGJrvPEWx25D0IkIp3jNqqV4yGdkEw WaIJUKgisu1c+P1/VLh2c6+k8+cLMASCPqsn9q5uXgyPnIpps+yMtAo1jUxC7Afe+DGA JX8NmVbnfXST71e3VNQz9LJdE8btSJCC+01YyKqNkF5Nti2dOc+mWxd4wb/eNjjAZTCD Ci6ah0bWU6fTKLGIjBWL/dtQhkvaJaGFLjt2NAwR7wfZF4P0ttdYct6S7VG9GMeabEjF LttoWvAh5NvWWxdTeefokFCItwdt1vr10PzogJV1L9lq2gePkP3O6AdwGukbdzuJjB6Z /OTw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1700809470; x=1701414270; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=d1+OXsm4JyvLZuTVNZeezcmufLw6MFzOBuCg8VP8UOs=; b=jsXyg+Kl1gn3e/ylZ+aS0A3jrv9XnzNSshVAGJe3i6DzdmQLrz/C09DLK5+ZBEtdM3 K6826doDDiPQNxP6D6axsUrReW0q6QhJvBmmNCcRc8fd9T/pF2BcZ4Gu/p8eCuM7ZWCP qJnFkTvGaEaPXpfN/c2fS2f6W0xvk7R+grG70uynKDUJsxs3gqmlkX4h3eWSZVfMcVgr AzS7V2c+ILI/8nEch6JufB0hrHdHkG2uj3kPqbOIm3kkQo0fycIM4COwVC5LsJE+zBcP 28u9/X1EpUPfJbar64F6ov7Q15gAzGSw/iemHAgAKneRzwLvo6nr58XTwrhXsAdKVLsI uAtg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwMAPiUNZP82nf4J/8SN1280ynWMCZnmgTgY1XKXPGytNixmZyC jHdv+JCMaphSLV3wwGnnQ/qLbHPE8uTdMGpFVSFbTw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGkq/piy93Yol6g+qzWqnNphvzIB0Y9s+89Hp4R4YcNXntkc83fTBhjEO6KDAzeEC75BrMjDcd3sO0Y3o2UgOs= X-Received: by 2002:a67:c792:0:b0:45d:9f5b:4264 with SMTP id t18-20020a67c792000000b0045d9f5b4264mr960401vsk.4.1700809469848; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 23:04:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <13F703AA-58DB-4D09-8395-97DA10E12F5A@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <13F703AA-58DB-4D09-8395-97DA10E12F5A@gmail.com> From: John Cowan Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 02:04:17 -0500 Message-ID: To: Peter Yardley Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004804f2060ae09017" Message-ID-Hash: 4BUB6HVN5AQCBHXFWDFUC2TZEMQRLGVS X-Message-ID-Hash: 4BUB6HVN5AQCBHXFWDFUC2TZEMQRLGVS X-MailFrom: cowan@ccil.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Test, test List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000004804f2060ae09017 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 12:12=E2=80=AFAM Peter Yardley < peter.martin.yardley@gmail.com> wrote: All hallows eve, when the dead are allowed to walk the Earth. Other > European cultures have it too, the day of the dead. The *Day* of the Dead is the 1st of November, All Hallows' Day or All Saints' Day, or the Feast of All Saints, which memorializes all the saints unknown and uncanonized. (The 2nd of November is All Souls' Day or Soulmas, or the Feast of All the Faithful Departed.) The name "Hallowe'en" applies to the night before All Hallows, just like Christmas Eve and Christmas: a hangover from the Jewish calendar, where all holidays begin at sunset on the day before. A friend of mine said to me once "On erev [the day before] Hallowe'en ..." and I interrupted him: "No, no, Hallowe'en is already an erev!" All Saints picked up a lot of energy in Mexico from vaguely similar Aztec traditions. It was then copied to the Philippines, which used to be administered out of Mexico. (Hence the riddle: What happened in the Philippines on December 31st, 1845?" The answer is "Absolutely nothing", because it was skipped when the Philippines transitioned from Mexico time, GMT-6, to its current time zone, GMT+8.) It is even observed as a secular holiday in thoroughly Muslim Indonesia! On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 12:42=E2=80=AFAM Grant Taylor via TUHS wrote: There's also Christmas in July, or something like that. Yes, Ymas (as in "the middle of [austral] winter, six months before Xmas". --0000000000004804f2060ae09017 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fr= i, Nov 24, 2023 at 12:12=E2=80=AFAM Peter Yardley <peter.martin.yardley@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>

All hallows eve, when the dead are allowed= to walk the Earth. Other European cultures have it too, the day of the dea= d.

The *Day* of the De= ad is the 1st of November, All Hallows' Day or All Saints' Day, or = the Feast of All Saints, which memorializes all the saints unknown and unca= nonized.=C2=A0 (The 2nd of November is All Souls' Day or Soulmas, or th= e Feast of All the Faithful Departed.)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The name "Hallowe&= #39;en" applies to the night before All Hallows, just like Christmas E= ve and Christmas: a hangover from the Jewish calendar, where all holidays b= egin at sunset on the day before.=C2=A0 A friend of mine said to me once &q= uot;On erev [the day before] Hallowe'en ..." and I interrupted him= :=C2=A0 "No, no, Hallowe'en is already an erev!"

All Sain= ts picked up a lot of energy in Mexico from vaguely similar Aztec tradition= s.=C2=A0 It was then copied to the Philippines, which used to be administer= ed out of Mexico.=C2=A0 (Hence the riddle: What happened in the Philippines= on December 31st, 1845?"=C2=A0 The answer is "Absolutely nothing= ", because it was skipped when the Philippines transitioned from Mexic= o time, GMT-6, to its current time zone, GMT+8.)=C2=A0 It is even observed = as a secular holiday in thoroughly Muslim Indonesia!

On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 12:42= =E2=80=AFAM Grant Taylor via TUHS <tuhs= @tuhs.org> wrote:

There's also Christmas in July, or something like that.

Yes, Ymas (as in "the middle of [austral] wint= er, six months before Xmas".

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