From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 17294 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2020 22:10:20 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Nov 2020 22:10:20 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 355A19D4D8; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 08:10:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3899D4B8; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 08:09:35 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="kzNsZm+O"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 03ED89D4B8; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 08:09:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f50.google.com (mail-qv1-f50.google.com [209.85.219.50]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FD749D4B4 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 08:09:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f50.google.com with SMTP id d1so1179390qvl.6 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2020 14:09:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NZ+KARZFDS1+JxBJK3Hi4pOw5uv5Bdvii23a1te6Dgw=; b=kzNsZm+OJLRDtP9XWAJTMMf+KMsk5YuCts7s7HLdqBSfFz9/7DYYlr/yd+W5h6ZJT5 TNuwr9T51gMsa7fFRq+2LSJAs2C+2TWqeFpX4rudcKHKmrkBqPISx1MepE019qc3qVw0 j6iFnjFRKGIACmo8owRdvpE8/RSOfhykOWZqN5LiDotSDe3Z2FU9UnKx3VRKsdY3UJJ1 4xsdRS3l8f20fImIK8nF+3TuE5b28Kii3MamFqwExQ9Wlf1VKTyUsSZNAZ5iIKJ4fdZP g6gqvnzL1Z/zu83NMNFMHw9ZZ+VqkJU4TliEVSrUoTayieZQsd1MceGH9N+w7YkVh7q7 +9vA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NZ+KARZFDS1+JxBJK3Hi4pOw5uv5Bdvii23a1te6Dgw=; b=tghtDDLPKSRrFE6hlzmTDtgxRIk4g/uEOQ1/ng+TfEdwXFQexaVdEW3FkI2fvcuXX7 nPUAsqloet6UvQXLaJhyE0pPXyH3LMrB1I9yBPgFjaZdXEdznZ2l5dvGwPk9l+XUpQSL aW1L9ToFiiIBefM7WXXwYrirRI3WtSZcUDyRDIzXkW4oqxLm4shVU2BDvlk+OCht9+pB U8ioxz/lVLzOPafLC868b80O1xStqiU1yVYiLovJhB2D6aqwofBRzrk+CRLZB9CzWv3j ps+3+NUa+PI/qrSZlarAagf5TsQWyrlWnMA3xvtlj30PIOoz3ADH3vojCzNsxaWKE+Mm zfxQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532RbkA2OtwpjfV1ApkYt0TRTjD2sFCzrIc0jtXS4F0RwkRnjytK mTNnQoA2y/SMPG4rcCMDPl6p2Z77ugbjp8RsgxO3hKnW/iZ8jTdR X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzuujujOxKkX+PYkj1oFo20ICROgXJ2cgmVP1w4yJqO0tHL2MYFx/dHRMCjONrVF22lArSP9HsRdBcC8Hc1MwU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:146e:: with SMTP id c14mr3640076qvy.22.1604700570094; Fri, 06 Nov 2020 14:09:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20201106014109.GP26296@mcvoy.com> <20201106063725.GB99027@eureka.lemis.com> <20201106150609.GR26296@mcvoy.com> <202011061851.0A6IpB7p555742@darkstar.fourwinds.com> In-Reply-To: <202011061851.0A6IpB7p555742@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: John Cowan Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2020 17:09:19 -0500 Message-ID: To: Jon Steinhart Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000073a6f105b377779c" Subject: Re: [TUHS] The Elements Of Style: UNIX As Literature X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000073a6f105b377779c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 1:51 PM Jon Steinhart wrote: > I've always been willing to spend buckets of money on the monitors because > to me that's an area where bigger and higher resolution is always better. > You'd hardly want one the size of a city block, or even of a room wall. > I hated Shakespeare in high school. One of the big reasons was that I felt > that he made up a word whenever he didn't have a good one available. Contrary to Internet opinion, Shakespeare probably never invented any words. At most he is the first person to record in writing a word whose written works have survived (mostly). Why would a commercial playwright (and Shakespeare wrote for money) use a word his audience didn't understand? They'd boo the play off the stage, with or without rotten fruit. He did both invent and reuse a lot of phrases: see < https://inside.mines.edu/~jamcneil/levinquote.html>, or google for "you are quoting Shakespeare". The > flipping back and forth to the list of definitions completely interrupted > the cadence of reading. > Pop-up translations would be much better, of course. I studied R&J with footnotes; my daughter, with an across-the-page translation into Contemporary Modern English. Of course, that meant I had to explain some of the gallows humor to her, like Mercutio's dying words: "Seek for me tomorrow, and you will find me a *grave* man." > While readers might "lose focus" part of the way through long lines, that > has to > be balanced against the loss of focus that comes from 'mental > carriage-returns" > when text is too narrow and broken across several lines. Again, not > studied as > far as I know. > Lispers, of course, have only one kind of bracket, and append as many close-brackets to each line as are needed there. (We don't count them, Emacs and vi do the matching.) Sure saves on vertical whitespace, which means you typically can see a whole function in one screen. John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Is a chair finely made tragic or comic? Is the portrait of Mona Lisa good if I desire to see it? Is the bust of Sir Philip Crampton lyrical, epical or dramatic? If a man hacking in fury at a block of wood make there an image of a cow, is that image a work of art? If not, why not? --Stephen Dedalus --00000000000073a6f105b377779c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Nov 6, 20= 20 at 1:51 PM Jon Steinhart <jon@fo= urwinds.com> wrote:
=C2=A0
I've always been willing to spend buckets o= f money on the monitors because
to me that's an area where bigger and higher resolution is always bette= r.

You'd hardl= y want one the size of a city block, or even of a room wall.
I = hated Shakespeare in high school.=C2=A0 One of the big reasons was that I f= elt
that he made up a word whenever he didn't have a good one available.=C2= =A0

Contrary to Intern= et opinion, Shakespeare probably never invented any words.=C2=A0 At most he= is the first person to record in writing a word whose written works have s= urvived (mostly).=C2=A0 Why would a commercial playwright (and Shakespeare = wrote for money) use a word his audience didn't understand?=C2=A0 =C2= =A0They'd boo the play off the stage, with or without rotten fruit.=C2= =A0 He did both invent and reuse a lot of phrases: see <https://inside.mines.edu/~ja= mcneil/levinquote.html>, or google for "you are quoting Shakesp= eare".

The
flipping back and forth to the list of definitions completely interrupted the cadence of reading.

Pop-up translations would be much better, of course.=C2=A0 I studied = R&J with footnotes; my daughter, with an across-the-page translation in= to Contemporary Modern English.=C2=A0 Of course, that meant I had to explai= n some of the gallows humor to her, like Mercutio's dying words: "= Seek for me tomorrow, and you will find me a *grave* man."
While readers might "lose focus" part of the way through long li= nes, that has to
be balanced against the loss of focus that comes from 'mental carriage-= returns"
when text is too narrow and broken across several lines.=C2=A0 Again, not s= tudied as
far as I know.

Lis= pers, of course, have only one kind of bracket, and append as many close-br= ackets to each line as are needed there.=C2=A0 (We don't count them, Em= acs and vi do the matching.)=C2=A0 Sure saves on vertical whitespace, which= means you typically can see a whole function in one screen.



John Cowan =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://v= rici.lojban.org/~cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cowan@ccil.org
Is a chair finely made tragic or comic? = Is the portrait of Mona Lisa
good if I desire to see it? Is the bust of = Sir Philip Crampton lyrical,
epical or dramatic?=C2=A0 If a man hacking = in fury at a block of wood make
there an image of a cow, is that image a= work of art? If not, why not?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --Stephen Dedalus

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