From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22692 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2022 18:54:51 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Feb 2022 18:54:51 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 283B59C79B; Sat, 5 Feb 2022 04:54:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777CD95192; Sat, 5 Feb 2022 04:54:30 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.i=@ccil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.b="rCJMqdsq"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E169D95192; Sat, 5 Feb 2022 04:54:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f46.google.com (mail-wm1-f46.google.com [209.85.128.46]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C333F95111 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2022 04:54:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f46.google.com with SMTP id r7so5169543wmq.5 for ; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 10:54:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=5r3JeQhPOWQ8kjpOXCQVURRXR10QBOcbZMGkdM6/JAI=; b=rCJMqdsqbCnLXBGccXUHT98BgxeDlVO9aGwI2TBIBE15J1msvx7DVF25pzBbbQiLLy mpNgXW118GUxMdzMd7+3PyHVtxS/yF/nvbc4FqPAIv3J2TXU+dq4v9pXfZmW4+RPpKyx 6jY2SSFrSpcEvOi6Jqam8P25wiuZgLoBNUSGelC0dJ+wr+3yTtfFyG+RIINVSQbvdcMR 2MYBxpMsXbLqq1RTj6ziVPI4J+3yrEMnNAJ40/Q4jUSR13QLIKi7zXI7MMLEicREZz30 gBNkAagqSq2MUMi+GZkwL1ukOWSP1XgjodA76qxeSeQmTX/BvJXvkv+jF+NYtT5hKk1s xz4g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5r3JeQhPOWQ8kjpOXCQVURRXR10QBOcbZMGkdM6/JAI=; b=D9kK3swbMc2XiuKlKw2kcdsPXZaXu/gxOdXW1dwnBcdtUBXPgOokGmB5EfRVxCOiac 28SoQiR6IucvAmcDuk5V6V9FqzoSqeVSvBDEhmEaIAbnhNhBGTL3KK/Yh3JadvLqBepY ql+xmR3vg3Dd50yx0+lMKt+ZZcj+bXI/Mi0aUDcngt/QzhKYgS5AILUyrvTlFTd5X6R8 6mrPwOttnKEl/RV/BCVRHSpsg5FcGb9ZeeYWi/JS5XG/4XZXA6brtiW4miLOM1T8MoOC J2J7srDmoekZM5YKMV9iuPrNdF5HkUWkdCEODWHxDAFobszurhHyOISqNQfqQqGAA65x ncDg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532vpLh/a43r0tDYX7yU2i8ZKLx7NE3iNuD2Fs7vcAZ7f1JdYVit 4leT84Fv8wftEtRYa1St0/HRsgMyrpjGKjXB7xYSPA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzCf3VEiqfaLNzxgr7A/QONfcEkk7BeLA2VlVzCtUKxC7GRYM2Bj6DUMLb6GxWlsmDyrD828hUzNzDBsoSq01Q= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:3586:: with SMTP id c128mr90054wma.15.1644000865234; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 10:54:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202202011537.211FbYSe017204@freefriends.org> <20220201155225.5A9541FB21@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <202202020747.2127lTTh005669@freefriends.org> <7C19F93B-4F21-4BB1-A064-0307D3568DB7@cfcl.com> <1nFWmo-1Gn-00@marmaro.de> In-Reply-To: From: John Cowan Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 13:54:14 -0500 Message-ID: To: Steve Nickolas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000095454705d735c707" Subject: Re: [TUHS] more about Brian... X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000095454705d735c707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 3:20 AM Steve Nickolas wrote: > > Garbage collector is cool but actually it prevents you from writing > > kernel or performance critical code, e.g. games. > I'm sure kernels with GC are on their way. I think they already exist in research contexts. As for games, the problem seems to be that the market will not pay enough for hardware to do a good job. so the attitude is "So what if it crashes, it's just a dumb game." The last C program I worked on was an interpreter for the Joy language. It had a precise GC for objects, but strings were a mess. I added libgc and ripped out all the half-assed solutions. If I had to write C today, I'd write it with libgc. --00000000000095454705d735c707 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Feb 4, 20= 22 at 3:20 AM Steve Nickolas <usots= uki@buric.co> wrote:
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> Garbage collector is cool but actually it prevents you from writing > kernel or performance critical code, e.g. games.
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I'm sure kernels with GC are on the= ir way.=C2=A0 I think they already exist in research contexts.=C2=A0 As for= games, the problem seems to be that the market will not pay enough for har= dware to do a good job. so the attitude is "So what if it crashes, it&= #39;s just a dumb game."

The last C program I worked on was an interpreter for= the Joy language.=C2=A0 It had a precise GC for objects, but strings were = a mess.=C2=A0 I added libgc and ripped out all the half-assed solutions.=C2= =A0 If I had to write C today, I'd write it with libgc.

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