From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 14379 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2021 21:28:46 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Apr 2021 21:28:46 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5F5529CA49; Fri, 2 Apr 2021 07:28:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9469C8A5; Fri, 2 Apr 2021 07:28:15 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="bKtBeMLU"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5034C9C8A5; Fri, 2 Apr 2021 07:28:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f42.google.com (mail-qv1-f42.google.com [209.85.219.42]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC3D09C835 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2021 07:28:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f42.google.com with SMTP id 30so1705696qva.9 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2021 14:28:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=BYQJAzkl7wyTBtQ7SACaLrbQtH2kaYAN1hblSbnsSuo=; b=bKtBeMLUa8IUKjb44VJscvJ3vt6M8AZfqU8Ydm13H6LqgHAaXxLOGHZw0PwndSRt4G YwCFCZkeue4IyYrVbg1fpuiuCE+RjbOOMzzL2LpGADIt0Oq69aTq99F2rNATpPn59+YH Xy8EcyyAbPALTAAEwrKR2IaHj8VJkJK1IGVEYtTWaqhMtKODfXJeTUsBblb/uLPDCqql nga4heAX3qIMY1xC7xmgbq8lsOIE4GXMZH+3unKltZ8iz3V/te+U3lwz3S9mTqSWyV74 RNoHij0gxpZ2wqZ5whHLrvya/hAeSizPNJtxAYo2syLI2so/1h+4bqphufzVQN7belrj mLBA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BYQJAzkl7wyTBtQ7SACaLrbQtH2kaYAN1hblSbnsSuo=; b=dkR0bUyWJV6IfACReXAdJ1AvV9XxAFWWrVBTfJmQDIW6Ddeg53rGJUOSGBjwr0afJ+ T0RrswQ3xt1QWLuFD4F/OqSSiXUGcx48+253rD+8ig+1FsLA4TScAmHAh4K0qBytQXyl pnFB3L71z7QS5AO8g3mu5qnCwmEydoOGHzJgQTT2uKhG3Jw24DcLsttKSZZxCjmY9IOd QsdQuYo04uEGf0Ty5yCPluVPBFnDwegBVF54ZNWfL9YAKJSj6UOkwskBcNRZS1iKig4s riTwlVbo8pvMbkCB2ilJe14NBXGBocFoHZ1nQvsOkKFRZGTpP2oGr1bKMdDwZJ4r4Kkq J2nA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530wZtJgHfroDtM/1aIzZ3yZEosAkTxNiSqoIf2MJPPuGBA838eT XWHqpvhOp3WXSypM/q62hph2WMJRATgQ0LS72qXCRT3L2/4X4g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzJoBE3cb+3UR1lhF7Ifz/LMbY01MJU/hDagpSgPqhNdtmvvI10rq0ej2ZeS6j7UFLOT48AudYybJwWz3Ql7lQ= X-Received: by 2002:ad4:5a4e:: with SMTP id ej14mr10326729qvb.10.1617312490778; Thu, 01 Apr 2021 14:28:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87zgyi5bhj.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> <20210401152810.GI4209@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20210401152810.GI4209@mcvoy.com> From: John Cowan Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 17:27:58 -0400 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000810d1a05beefe876" Subject: Re: [TUHS] 30th Anniversary of most epic netnews post X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000810d1a05beefe876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 11:29 AM Larry McVoy wrote: It's always amazed me that courts will take emails as "evidence" because it > is > absolutely trivial to fake them. Unless they've added some crypto host > identification (have they?) Evidence is not the same as conclusive evidence, and it would be perfectly proper for one side to introduce emails and the other side to claim that a particular email or emails are forged. It would then be up to the trier of fact (jury or judge) to decide who is most convincing on that meta-issue. John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org And now here I was, in a country where a right to say how the country should be governed was restricted to six persons in each thousand of its population. For the nine hundred and ninety-four to express dissatisfaction with the regnant system and propose to change it, would have made the whole six shudder as one man, it would have been so disloyal, so dishonorable, such putrid black treason. --Mark Twain's Connecticut Yankee --000000000000810d1a05beefe876 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Apr 1, 20= 21 at 11:29 AM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:

It's always amazed me that courts will take emails as "evidence&qu= ot; because it is
absolutely trivial to fake them.=C2=A0 Unless they've added some crypto= host
identification (have they?)

Evidence is not the same as conclusive evidence, and it would be perf= ectly proper for one side to introduce emails and the other side to claim t= hat a particular email or emails are forged.=C2=A0 It would then be up to t= he trier of fact (jury or judge) to decide who is most convincing on that m= eta-issue.



= John Cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= cowan@ccil.org
And now here I was,= in a country where a right to say how the country should
be governed wa= s restricted to six persons in each thousand of its population.
For the = nine hundred and ninety-four to express dissatisfaction with the
regnant= system and propose to change it, would have made the whole six
shudder = as one man, it would have been so disloyal, so dishonorable, such
putrid= black treason. =C2=A0--Mark Twain's Connecticut Yankee

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