From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7194 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2020 20:06:02 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 13 Aug 2020 20:06:02 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B77A29DF54; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 06:05:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241B79DF3E; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 06:05:09 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="0prmNqlJ"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 865F09DF3E; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 06:04:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f193.google.com (mail-qk1-f193.google.com [209.85.222.193]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB91A93D06 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 06:04:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f193.google.com with SMTP id b14so6353342qkn.4 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 13:04:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=204iX7PZtX1ZwUDXV22QeeggdAwFBjGhvPKZ+mqDPoE=; b=0prmNqlJdXvy53BEe3zikrm/E5sdxOwsxPU5nNZNHA8PKdCIUE4xbvq+yD5WXDLfSH n/WymuDv83SKj/BsIIlc4mKgQJnoqOAz1CxYQQDlwExBOL8M7BW9PeIhaL56afR0FzK0 LDdq597XYKra1h3GWaGPeYHR5kFnKRdUhob1NDZ2rSZstB1INXSaG2XMATxxnduEMcjW R+UwIlhwlsL2TrePHocTy2XVSh3qOMyCYjXtEu0QDuesYo3DzoMr39yw6hmYNzvc6ksG 3Y2ymPCs8IKYWPE5FXYKbhFlhHtXzPFLaepxXijkSTCCLV3dvNSbdG9QoywD0QSgyhsP jmGQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=204iX7PZtX1ZwUDXV22QeeggdAwFBjGhvPKZ+mqDPoE=; b=FgXr+tED5bgbXG6Mg5RpjR8Rh2e/vqtUHHZBzjLqod0glEJqRWz+e938BELbGU/9yz YQNfhr+CD2XlAAoCmu1TMiF6og7OH3HM/CbPD/zAlwsW4mSj/Q9yHMbLXaxdvZreZfoC sFK92xawWWVZMu10Hilv8vYyBtBhFHT/UA9ahXRm3g+ffctcxV23Rf3nyZwTx7sIxBKv klXAg3kK6zCylV+/fPVHqX4CW7IBPvi5cF8CtmcLcQsW6gLyKJJhAZlDhYD3+ZwnQhEU gPK5xdxvBV4+J0wNigT09sz4l71S+1wRvYT8Exk4yxTPNOQcsTjvr4PdFge6BF6llx+F A9cQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533POIzDnpJMwDKbd80tHh7Ptdnto4md+Pumy7Bqeg+UlxWz4FqV 3ktg0tesWrmA0ecYpp9uoh4KzZXhNrlKGjGlQEcf1+6lZorm+Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxLrb7usyfTaAQaBB05ksWPVJCmjTfwIar8y/bhswCJVCw6B1QpszE2YFugTqzmK8dxmGLv6eoLE26yNbQbmxg= X-Received: by 2002:a37:9e41:: with SMTP id h62mr5899617qke.426.1597349073424; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 13:04:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8e7efd45-a84e-cf20-9d30-8222357596a3@tnetconsulting.net> <202007200847.06K8l8DF026646@freefriends.org> <20200720094648.GE15253@ancienthardware.org> <20200801013605.GG10778@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: From: John Cowan Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:04:22 -0400 Message-ID: To: Henry Bent Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001ab0c505acc7d02e" Subject: Re: [TUHS] A/UX [was Linux is on-topic] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000001ab0c505acc7d02e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 1:19 PM Henry Bent wrote: so this damn teeny tiny display would cycle through a sequence of codes >> that told you what the machine was doing; it came with a book that told you >> what each code meant. Something like "387" meant mounting /usr. Ugh; I just >> found a page on ibm.com describing these "IPL codes." >> > IPL = Initial Program Load = boot(strap), by the way. It also has the connotations of "toggle in". Seated one day at the keyboard I was weary and ill at ease, And my fingers rattled noisily Over the clicking keys I know not what I was coding Nor what I had IPLed in But I struck one chord of logic Like the sound of a great IF-THEN. --Guy Steele (I think) But this reminded me: Does anyone remember a system of any sort where there were *two* corresponding sets of alphanumeric error codes, one short and meaningless like F32 and the other somewhat meaningful like POWER_LOW? I made up this example, but I have a feeling I saw or read about such a system. I can't pin it down with Dr. Google. I already know about plenty of systems that have *numbers* and alphabetics, like , or just alphabetics and a (localizable) text explanation, like VMS, or just a number and a text explanation, like the BIOS errors. Such number-only error systems are still very common in things like "smart" washing machines, where the cost and unreliability of a non-tiny screen simply isn't acceptable. John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Wer es in kleinen Dingen mit der Wahrheit nicht ernst nimmt, dem kann man auch in grossen Dingen nicht vertrauen. --Albert Einstein on honesty --0000000000001ab0c505acc7d02e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 1:19 PM Henry= Bent <henry.r.bent@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:

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IPL =3D Initial Program Load =3D boot(strap), by the way.=C2= =A0 It also has the connotations of "toggle in".

Seated one day at the keyboard
I was weary and ill at ea= se,
And my fingers rattled noisily
Over the clicking ke= ys

I know not what I was coding
Nor what= I had IPLed in
But I struck one chord of logic
Like th= e sound of a great IF-THEN.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 --Guy Steele (I think)<= /div>

But this reminded me: Does anyone remember a syste= m of any sort where there were *two* corresponding sets of alphanumeric err= or codes, one short and meaningless like F32 and the other somewhat meaning= ful like POWER_LOW?=C2=A0 I made up this example, but I have a feeling I sa= w or read about such a=C2=A0system.=C2=A0 I can't pin it down with Dr. = Google.

I already know about plenty of systems tha= t have *numbers* and alphabetics, like <errno.h>, or just alphabetics= and a (localizable) text explanation, like VMS, or just a number and a tex= t explanation, like the BIOS errors.

Such number-o= nly error systems are still very common in things like "smart" wa= shing machines, where the cost and unreliability of a non-tiny screen simpl= y isn't acceptable.



<= div>John Cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0cowan@ccil.org
Wer es in kle= inen Dingen mit der Wahrheit nicht ernst nimmt, dem kann
man auch in gro= ssen Dingen nicht vertrauen. =C2=A0--Albert Einstein on honesty

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