From: John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>
To: Marshall Conover <marzhall.o@gmail.com>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] ATC/OSDI'21 joint keynote: It's Time for Operating Systems to Rediscover Hardware (Timothy Roscoe)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 23:54:01 -0400 [thread overview]
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On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 7:15 PM Marshall Conover <marzhall.o@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I know a container I deploy will have
> everything it needs wherever it goes, and will be exactly the thing I
> built and tested.
Up to a point, Minister. You can mount a scratch monkey, but you can't
mount a scratch Internet or a scratch AWS or a scratch Google.
> At one point the VM on
> which we were running those agents went down, and our stop-gap fix was
> to download and run a few copies of that container locally.
>
That's true if the container isn't too vulgar big. I can run $EMPLOYER's
whole application on my laptop in the root environment, but running it in
Docker is too costly even though that's how it's deployed on AWS.
> from the adage "necessity is the mother of invention." People writing
> business logic today are targeting an OS-independent platform: the
> browser.
Most actual business logic is still in the back end, at least at my part of
the coal face. The browser is more of a programmable platform as time goes
by, but it's still a Blit even if no longer just a 3270.
> Management -
> which in this case, means the world at large - demands new features,
> not unspecified heisen-benefits from redoing things that already work.
>
There is a pressure toward that. But when $CLIENTS (who are a lot bigger
than $EMPLOYER) start to complain about how often the application they are
paying $$$$$$$ for falls over due to lack of robustness, things change.
Not everything can be startup-grade.
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Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-01 21:58 Dan Cross
2021-09-02 8:42 ` Tony Finch
2021-09-03 0:19 ` John Cowan
2021-09-03 3:24 ` Douglas McIlroy
2021-09-03 13:21 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-09-08 11:14 ` Tony Finch
2021-09-16 19:27 ` Dan Cross
2021-09-17 0:34 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-09-17 0:44 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-17 17:07 ` Bakul Shah
2021-09-17 1:33 ` Dan Cross
2021-09-02 15:41 ` Kevin Bowling
2021-09-02 20:12 ` Marshall Conover
2021-09-03 15:56 ` Warner Losh
2021-09-03 17:10 ` Adam Thornton
2021-09-03 17:28 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-03 17:42 ` John Floren
2021-09-03 19:02 ` Lawrence Stewart
2021-09-03 19:11 ` Clem Cole
2021-09-03 17:46 ` [TUHS] ATC/OSDI'21 joint keynote: It's Time for Operating Systems to Rediscover Hardware [ really a comment on SoCs ] Jon Steinhart
2021-09-16 18:38 ` [TUHS] ATC/OSDI'21 joint keynote: It's Time for Operating Systems to Rediscover Hardware (Timothy Roscoe) Dan Cross
2021-09-16 19:34 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-16 19:41 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-16 23:14 ` Marshall Conover
2021-09-16 23:44 ` Rob Pike
2021-09-17 0:37 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-17 1:38 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 3:54 ` John Cowan [this message]
2021-09-16 23:45 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 0:06 ` Al Kossow
2021-09-17 4:06 ` John Cowan
2021-09-17 4:18 ` Al Kossow
2021-09-17 0:32 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-16 23:54 ` David Arnold
2021-09-17 1:10 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 1:28 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-17 1:40 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 2:04 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-17 2:21 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 2:48 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-09-17 17:39 ` Bakul Shah
2021-09-17 17:51 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 18:07 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-17 21:03 ` Derek Fawcus
2021-09-17 22:11 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-19 4:05 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-09-17 18:34 ` Bakul Shah
2021-09-17 18:56 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 19:16 ` Bakul Shah
2021-09-17 19:35 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 15:56 ` Bakul Shah
2021-09-17 18:24 ` ron minnich
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