From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 19132 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2020 18:52:36 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Jul 2020 18:52:36 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 26FB09C71B; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 04:52:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B76894598; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 04:51:20 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="Z/3NNCJo"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 012F894598; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 04:51:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f47.google.com (mail-qv1-f47.google.com [209.85.219.47]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9CBA94588 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 04:51:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f47.google.com with SMTP id h18so17703509qvl.3 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 11:51:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=kbO0BHeqtIo32FAo5W4qrYIjDmV1u1/GfLgJ+Gx9ekM=; b=Z/3NNCJoGRVe9QZuxT8zv715VaehW2Bfxff2qNyrA9/ch+BetKDxJhzCgpau8STES1 hhMYQTthCjdhreh8BUqSC/reyTl+Unwn52JAsny9N2Zj3le59smOvVNhHvcNZN6SG+ro v1RNwNreKTNkjWm6OCxWpwuybFj55sJGgASuOFstg47aqS3PA/SQnp5/JLM1HW+bM1DW griwMmT4q1CPoomIkNryacFFyqQjJq1c+RPcicTn7AYli8LbJsz76X5qkdQWXa39UGY0 cdEBgPsqjjg+zPx8dBxiPQ0mngjOJx5JCT7UxW3SbLcZGCkiBVqogwYL693Ctj85tzZq xdHg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=kbO0BHeqtIo32FAo5W4qrYIjDmV1u1/GfLgJ+Gx9ekM=; b=h8VvR9mjIsES7qJcpF8cKfAgyGvpdx7RyhwrBGDFdMyi3u/CaVJKbwYNX0r5YZRg0V LSe1ho44d1IGN5INR4T7jdY5BAWlqzY1vHNFQCoGaB7YFPeU/i3S6VYkDC8vTm3JMqyb itc7U5h4/QESMnZ3P6LX+5+a8ROaCsfcIeRfg6lM302rvFNuUmMoo8FuX4ZYLFYauqrC MdasexLzktExT4dmEPKz6TbXytX6cWBxAAAWF45hQzraREim3VAA2vyGh3BgdqBfYYTT lLJ/tWZM2hK64aAM4cvbaCHNjF/yCWvEid3ageW39RaoIFNGPbDwCXj9ywJVgXUu1x0I yDbw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532AfbaoTA2iPURLvb5tzJIlXouZfXYJb9o/wpoMYJxGodmoVisi +yYe1u4d1Hn9RM/uVrK563o9fLIsiy1W3VauKgB/YA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzVfA04QO61Bl4pA2qCdIlSsVTrzVHk0dvp6ZNh/Mv+oOdUndO2fnpNI7GQWUdim/lG1IdIbfI7XYpJ4bvYf44= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:14e5:: with SMTP id k5mr25144940qvw.125.1594061474982; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 11:51:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: John Cowan Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 14:51:04 -0400 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f7825c05a9ca5bb7" Subject: Re: [TUHS] v7 uucp debugging help requested X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000f7825c05a9ca5bb7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I fall back to ed or tr when I hit the bug in vim that prevents you from inserting a newline with the s command (it inserts a NUL instead). On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 9:59 AM Clem Cole wrote: > I always recommend doing the exercises in Rob and Brian's UPE on ed > because then everything else makes sense, like sed or any other editor. > Plus you get the advantage you point out, and the reality is that so many > simpler editors (like edlin) have similar functionality, it means you can > get something done, just about anywhere. > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 12:14 AM Dave Horsfall wrote: > >> On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, Adam Thornton wrote: >> >> > Since I find ed thoroughly unpleasant to use, having a screen editor >> was >> > a must for me to use v7 for any length of time, and s fills that role >> > rather nicely. >> >> A boss of mine insisted that we all learned "ed", because one day it >> might >> be the only editor available to you after a crash; he was right... >> >> -- Dave >> > --000000000000f7825c05a9ca5bb7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I fall back to ed or tr when I hit the bug in vim that pre= vents you from inserting a newline with the s command (it inserts a NUL ins= tead).

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 9:59 AM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
I always recommend=C2=A0doing t= he exercises=C2=A0in Rob and Brian's UPE on ed because then everything = else makes sense, like sed or any other editor.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Plus you get th= e advantage you point out, and the reality is that=C2=A0so many simpler=C2= =A0editors (like edlin) have similar functionality, it means you can get so= mething done, just about anywhere.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 12:14 AM Dav= e Horsfall <dave@= horsfall.org> wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, Adam Thornton wrote:

> Since I find ed thoroughly unpleasant to use, having a screen editor w= as
> a must for me to use v7 for any length of time, and s fills that role =
> rather nicely.

A boss of mine insisted that we all learned "ed", because one day= it might
be the only editor available to you after a crash; he was right...

-- Dave
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